Friday draft notes — what is the trade value at #18?

— Will the Seahawks trade down from #18? A lot of people think they will. So what can they get in a trade? The late teens have been a difficult dealing spot in recent years but there is some precedent. In 2013 the 49ers moved up from #31 to #18 to select safety Eric Reid. They paid Dallas a third round pick (#74). It was the twelfth pick in round three that year, acquired originally from Carolina. So what can the Seahawks gain if they move down into the 20’s or 30’s? A relatively early third rounder appears realistic.

— I’ve been struggling to get an angle on Georgia linebacker Lorenzo Carter. His Notre Dame tape (see below) is the one I’ve been looking for. It was fantastic. He flashed in coverage (not bad for his size), rushed the edge successfully with multiple pressures and a sack, he had two forced fumbles and looked every bit a top-50 prospect. The Georgia quartet of Carter, Isaiah Wynn, Nick Chubb and Sony Michel would solve a lot of ills in Seattle.

— This draft class felt a bit underwhelming going into the college season but now it feels a lot more interesting as players have emerged. There’s good depth in the defensive front seven, great depth at running back and plenty of big name quarterbacks (Lamar Jackson declared today). If you’re a team after a QB, RB, interior OL, DL and LB you’re more excited by this draft than if you’re after CB, S, TE or OT.

— In previous years players we really liked were never in range for Seattle. Keanu Neal, Garett Bolles and Haason Reddick are recent examples. For the first time since 2012 that won’t be the case. Players we like a lot will be available at #18. That creates a different dynamic for the draft coverage this year. Should be fun.

— Derwin James is a popular prospect among Seahawks fans, especially with Kam Chancellor seemingly set to retire. James could easily go in the top-15 if a team really likes him. A great combine and sound medical checks would help. I also know there’s a feeling he could fall further than many expect. I think he’s a box safety, stiff in space and not the greatest coverage guy. I wouldn’t expect an amazing forty time or great agility testing. He doesn’t make that many ‘big’ plays. What he does do well is tackle and hit. There’s some real value in that, of course. He’s physical and a really good tackler. But how early are you prepared to take a player with range limitations? Some will really like him. Others might be less keen in round one.

— A safe bet would be that the Browns sign a veteran quarterback and sit the #1 overall pick in 2018. That would validate recent suggestions from people like Peter King that they prefer Josh Allen over Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen. Jon Dorsey is the former Kansas City GM so he might be able to convince Alex Smith to make the move. Cleveland has the cap room at least.

— Ronald Jones II officially declared today, adding to the ever growing options in this fantastic draft class for running backs. Reportedly he received a second round grade from the draft committee. It’s worth noting — that doesn’t mean he won’t go earlier. We’ve said it before but he compares favourably to Jamaal Charles. Who the Seahawks draft at running back will depend on the style they’re looking for. Are they after the tough, physical north-south runner (Nick Chubb)? Do they want the dynamic all-rounder with more athletic potential than people realise (Damien Harris)? Are they after a patient Chris Carson type (Kerryon Johnson)? Do they want a Jamaal Charles clone (Ronald Jones II)? There are many other options too. The good thing is — whatever they’re looking for, they should be able to find it in this great group.

We’ve posted a lot this week with the off-season officially starting. If you missed anything, here’s a list if you want to catch up:

New mock draft

Review of the Rose Bowl and Georgia’s loaded roster

Pete Carroll says running back will be a focal point in the off-season

The history of the #18 pick

Top-50 prospects eligible for the 2018 draft

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  1. cha

    “A relatively early third rounder appears realistic.”

    Totally agree. But while I hate to keep banging the drum, if there is a QB or two there at 18 the price goes up. The Hawks nabbed a low 3rd Rounder to move just 5 spots in 2016 because Denver was gaga over Paxton Lynch (and Jerry Jones was gunning for him?).

    • Rob Staton

      Sure. But I’m just talking about what’s realistic. Hard to say whether a QB worth having will drop that far. And despite Denver’s desperation to get Lynch, it still only cost a R3.

      • Greg Haugsven

        The problem is, how are you going to get an “early ” third round pick when your trading with someone (20’s or 30’s) that only has a “late” third round pick to give you in return.? Is there a team picking late in the first that has an early third?

        • Rob Staton

          I don’t think so. Just noted what the value would be. Someone might acquire an extra third pre-draft.

          • Greg Haugsven

            Yeah, that gets tricky. Either what you said or you have to trade all the back way into round 2 to get the early third. Maybe if they went deep into the first they could ask for that teams late second and maybe you give up your fourth or a fifth as well to balance it out.

            • Greg Haugsven

              After looking back at the draft order the winner of the Jacksonville/ Buffalo game might be a good trade partner. They would have pick 25 or 26 and might want to jump ahead of the other team at 22 as it looks like those two teams could be in line for a QB. We could end up with pick 25 and 89.

  2. Trevor

    I think it will depend on two things.

    1)Any moves made prior to draft to acquire picks

    2) Who is on the board at 18. For example if Nelson was somehow there I think JS would run to the podium. Would a 3rd round pick really be worth missing out on a Blue Chip prospect.

    • C-Dog


    • Rob Staton

      I would imagine there’s virtually zero chance Nelson drops. Too good.

      • Trevor

        I agree I just used him as an example.

        • Greg Haugsven

          I agree as it depends if we can trade anyone before the draft. I could be wrong but I dont think it matters who is available at 18. If we dont have a second or third by draft day they are trading back.

  3. Trevor

    If Gruden gets $100 mil how much would Bill B get on the open market! With no cap for coaches owners can pay what they like for the best.

    • Greg Haugsven

      I could see the other 31 owners getting really pissed at Davis if he gives a contract like that. Just messes it up for everyone else.

      • Hawk Eye

        The owners are all BILLIONAIRES
        and, lot of players make more than $10 million.
        A good coach has to be worth the same as a good player, just wondering why it has taken so long

  4. C-Dog

    On the topic of unrestricted free agency, and how the Seahawks might operative, seems like some intriguing players out there. IMO, this could be important to weigh out in terms of what Seattle does at Pick 18. One area that I think is particularly interesting is DE.


    Teddy Bridgewater
    Blaine Gabbert
    Geno Smith
    Brock Osweiler
    Sam Bradford

    If Keenum leads the Vikings on a deep playoff run, and plays well enough, doesn’t he warrant the right to be the starter in 2018? If he finds a cold market, would Seattle be intrigued with Teddy as Russ’s primary backup? By all accounts, Teddy sounds like a great locker room guy.

    Maybe some of these other younger QBs with high round pedigree would interest Seattle to perhaps take a flyer on them.


    Isaiah Crowell
    Carlos Hyde
    Dion Lewis
    Jerick McKinnon
    Jeremy Hill
    Kerwynn Williams
    Darkwa Orleans

    I think there is a chance Seattle could look at FA in addition to this draft. Lots of talk would probably be about Hyde, or Crowell, but what about Darkwa Orleans?


    Anthony Sherman
    Derrick Coleman

    Should Seattle consider bringing back Coleman?


    DJ Fluker
    Andrew Norwell
    Justin Pugh
    LaAdrain Waddle

    Mainly looking at guards with the potential of RT. Should be lots of chatter on Fluker and Norwell, but Pugh has been a pro bowler at LG and has recently stated that he wants to “win now.” Could he be a Seattle target?

    * DE

    DeMarcus Lawrence
    Ezekial Ansah
    Adrian Clayborn
    Cornellius Carradine
    Alex Okafor
    Kony Ealy
    David Bass
    Denico Autry
    Aaron Lynch
    Jared Crick
    Trent Murphy

    This is where it could get interesting, IMO. A lot may depend on what they decide with Mike B. Maybe take Lawrence, Ansah, and Clayborn off the list due to $. But how about bring David Bass back, who ended up with a hand full of sacks for the Jets? If memory is correct, Bass looked good in Seattle rushing from the left side.

    Okafor has looked nice at DE for the Saints. Denico Autry quietly had a nice season for the Raiders. Carradine and Ealy both have that Bennett inside/out look at LDE. Lynch, Murphy, and Crick have pedigree that I think can be worth a definite look.


    Dontarie Poe
    Bennie Logan
    Star Lotulelei
    Dominque Easley
    Tyron Walker
    Courtney Upshaw
    Justin Ellis

    This depends what the team does with Sheldon. If he does hit the open market, he could have some serious competition with Poe, Logan, and Lotulelei. If Sheldon leaves, Seattle might be happy rolling with Reed & Jones in the base, and having Easley, Upshaw or Walker as a pass rushing DT. Or maybe they would like Ellis to battle for the 1 tech and have Reed and Jones battle it out at 3 tech.


    Tahir Whitehead
    Zach Brown
    Demario Davis
    Barkevious Mingo
    Lerentee McCray
    Christian Jones
    Korey Toomer

    I think there is a decent chance Seattle looks at LB in the draft, but how about bring Korey Toomer back at SAM, or looking at Mingo?


    Trumaine Johnson
    Kyle Fuller
    Davon House
    Ross Crockell
    Bashaud Breeland

    Personally, I like Seattle to grow their own here, but there is one thought floated around by Sea Mode that I think is interesting. What if Seattle moves Richard Sherman to safety in 2018? Do they then consider making a run at Johnson, or look at a young free agent corner like Crockell or Breeland to play opposite Shaq Griffin?


    Morgan Burnett
    Kenny Vaccaro
    Eric Reid
    LaMarcus Joyner
    Tavon Wilson
    Tre Boston
    Terrence Brooks
    Adrian Phillips

    Kind of like DE, this is an area of free agency that could be deep, and maybe why Seattle could look to deal Earl Thomas, if it gets to that. Vaccaro and Reid could be talked about a lot as Kam replacements, but Tre Boston and Adrian Phillips both had nice years playing in Gus Bradley’s Seahawk-esque defense. LaMarcus Joyner had a nice year with the Rams moving back to FS.


    Graham Gano
    Chandler Catanzaro
    Cairo Santos
    Dustin Hopkins

    All these kickers were 80% or better in FGs, and 90% or better in PATs, and are all relatively young. I would expect Seattle to be active in FA here.


    Kevin Huber
    Pat O’Donnell

    Fun fact; O’Donnell bench pressed more than Jadeveon Clowney did at the combine.

    • Trevor

      That is an awesome post of initial FA before cuts etc. Thanks for this!

    • Trevor

      Depends on trades, re-signings, cuts and new cap # but some guys I hope they look at.

      Vet LG -Fluker, Norwall, Pugh
      RB-Hyde and Darkwa Orleans
      Edge- Anzahh, Lawerence (if S Rich and Lawerence want same $ go Lawerence all day.)
      DT Easley, Clinton Mcdonald, Justin Ellis
      Safety Reid if they want SS, Joyner if they want FS

      Ideal Scenario IMO
      Fluker LG 3yr /10-12 mil Run blocking LG and backup RT
      Anzah Edge 4 yr /36-40 mil Ideal Edge rusher to replace Avril (health is key)
      Ellis DT 3yr/15 mil Ideal run stuffer
      Joyner FS 3 yr /15 mil if they trade Earl or Eric Reid to play SS if they prefer Mcdougald at FS

      • C-Dog

        Not a bad scenario, at all, if they were to trade Earl.

        I like the idea of Justin Ellis.

    • LeoSharp

      I’ve been thinking about Alex Okafor for a while but I think it will be really hard to acquired him.
      He was college team mates with Kenny Vaccaro who pushed FO to acquire him. Okafor wanted an opportunity to start which he did opposite Cam Jordan. He wouldn’t really have that opportunity in Seattle with Michael Bennett or potentially Dion Jordan (if they move MB) ahead of him.
      He also finished the year on IR with a torn achilles so likely signs for a short cheap contract. Unless the saints don’t want him it’s hard to think of motivation to move from a playoff team, opportunity to start and a close friend.

      • Greg Haugsven

        I just cant see them spending bigger money on outside free agency on defense. They want to get younger and cheaper not older and more expensive. IMO the only big type of contract you could see would be on the OLine.

        • Greg Haugsven

          Pugh could be a good option and Justin Ellis if Sheldon walks. Ellis could be that one year $3 million guy they like to get ala Rubin, Williams, McDaniel.

          • C-Dog

            Pugh is pretty interesting, IMO. I agree that it feels unlikely they would spend big $ in FA on the defense, but I do think it’s an interesting idea to bring back David Bass, maybe look at Trent Murphy, or Ealy if they do end up moving on from Bennett.

            I agree about Ellis.

            • Hawk Eye

              I doubt they sign anyone major in FA. They will look for players who were cut or after the comp pic deadline.
              COMP pics will rule who they sign, especially after they traded away 2 – 2nds and a 3rd.
              They don’t have much cap space anyways, and spending to the cap just gets you in trouble. They can save some cap room and it will roll over in next year

              • Greg Haugsven

                The only place I could see a good size contract in FA would be the OLine. That’s if they trade/release some guys to create csp space. Other than that it might just be small stuff.

                • C-Dog


              • 80SLargent

                I absolutely agree with Hawk Eye, especially since comp picks can now be traded.

                • Sea Mode

                  Yup. They will wait it out and rummage through the bargain bin in FA just like always.

    • Aaron

      I’d like Norwell or Pugh and I would love to bring in another kicker for competition. They have to be cautious on defense in FA. If the guy is 26 and younger I’d kick the tires, otherwise I wouldn’t. This defense works best when the average age is 25 and under not 28 like it was this year. Only AZ was an older defense than us.

    • Sea Mode

      Wow, great format, C-Dog! Thanks for this.

      Though I don’t think it is likely that Sherm moves to SS this season, it could definitely be a fallback option if Earl leaves. If it were to happen though, I have little doubt that Maxwell is the guy they will be keeping instead of looking for outside FA at the CB position, supplemented by another mid-round draft pick to develop.

  5. Trevor

    If the Hawks trade back my guess it would be with Bills for Lamar Jackson or someone trying to move ahead of Buff for Jackson. Bills have lots of draft capital on Day #2

    Bills have (2) 1st rounders and (2) 2nd Rounders + a 3rd

    I could see Hawks trading back from 18 for Bills 2nd pick in Rd#1 at 27 for a 3rd.

    Then Hawks trade #27 to Browns who want to jump ahead of OT needy teams. Hawks get first pick Rd2 #33+ 1st pick Rd #4

    End result

    2nd Rd 1st Pick
    3rd Rd Bills Pick21-LB
    4th Rd Browns Pick #1
    4th Rd Hawks Pick #18

    • Greg Haugsven

      I agree as it seems like Jacksonville and Buffalo are the two teams who could be jockeying for position later in round 1 for a QB. Who ever wins that game will fall behind the other team in the draft order and may want to leap frog the other team knowing Seattle probably wants to trade back.

      • Hawk Eye

        I cannot see Buffalo going after Jackson. They want to move away from Taylor, not going to take his clone who turns the ball over. Bills want a more traditional type QB.

  6. Aaron

    What positions should the Hawks target in FA? If this draft is strong on a few positions they need like interior OL, RB, DL, and LB I would suspect they go for a RT and a blocking TE. Glad to hear they singed Fowler the FB to a futures contract. He’s a solid FB in this league unlike our options last year. To return to form the Hawks must focus everything around physicality on offense and speed on defense.

    • Greg Haugsven

      For me it would be a guy who could play left guard. Maybe a veteran blocking TE. They want to get younger and cheaper on defense so the only money I could see them spending on an outside free agent would be on a cheaper run stuffer if Sheldon walks. The RB position is a young mans game so I would for sure want the draft for that as its probably the easiest position to transition from college. My two cents anyways.

    • C-Dog

      I’d like to see them add one quality veteran OLiner.

  7. schuemansky

    My “aggressive” offseason scenario … it’s more fun this way.
    Cliff and Kam (with an injury settlement and a future DB assistant coach job in hand) retire, Lane and Ryan are cut pre-June.
    Total cap relief about 15 mils. No dead money left in 2019.
    Earl Thomas is traded to the Atlanta for their 2nd and 3rd round picks, Bennett is traded to NE for their 3rd giving up our first 5th round pick. After seeing Griffin, Coleman and Maxwell perform nicely and having Shead recovered, PCJS decide to let go of Sherman as well. He gets traded to NO for their 5th.
    More immediate cap relief of 22 mils. And a lot less drama next year (and hopefully less penalties as well).
    PRich, Graham, Joeckel, Lacy leave in FA. Because of no activity in FA before June they will net us 2 4th and a 5th round comp pick in 2019.
    S. Richardson gets a 4-year deal (48mils), McDougald (18mils) and Coleman 3-year(10mils) deals. PCJS have faith in Dion Jordan. He gets a 4-year deal worth 18 mil. Shead’s contract is rolled over, Maxwell get 6mils for 2 years. Thanks to the abundant cap space no back-loaded contracts.
    Mike Davis, McKissic, Swoopes, Dawson and Jefferson get tendered. Total cap hit 4,5 mils.
    That leaves the Hawks with about 19 mils of cap room.
    Hawks have the following picks: 1.18, 2.55 (ATL), 3.87 (ATL), 3.96 (NE), 4.122, 5.153, 5.154(NO), 5.174, and 3 7th round picks.
    Seattle deal pick 18 to the Steelers for their 29 and 61.

    In order to get the lineman Rob likes we give away the picks acquired from ATL to move up to


    61: LB LEIGHTON VANDER ESCH (best LB available in this mock)

    96: RB RASHAAD PENNY (one of those two RBs will remain healthy next season, right?)

    122: LB SHAQUEM GRIFFIN (so many things to love here, and he is a great fototball player too)

    153: TE DALLAS GOEDERT (hopefully can block)

    154: DL B.J. HILL (the big man that was lost with Rubin and Mebane)

    174: WR AUDEN TATE (big WR)

    227: RB JAYLEN SAMUELS (FB?, TE?, maybe brings some thought to oppenent DCs)

    249: K EDDIE PINERO (to compete with FA K)

    250: P JOHNNY TOWNSEND (to compete with FA P)

    • Trevor

      Love it! Almost entire plan and the trades seem fairly realistic. With your scenario they would have the cap space to add an Edge rusher like Anzah or Safety like Reid or Joyner if they wanted to as well.

      I prefer Michel to Chubb and think you could switch Tate and Griffins draft slot but that is just nitpicking.

      • Greg Haugsven

        Fun exercise schue. These scenarios are always fun to read if they have some realism to them. They are fun to make as well.

        • Sea Mode


          The only pick I really don’t like is Vander Esch. Not a big fan personally. Think you might find a Lorenzo Carter type at that 61 spot, and if not, I’m seeing quite a few interesting LBs later on.

          • CC

            Carter seems really ‘seahawky” to me – with those long arms a taller version of KJ or Dion Jordan (without the long arms) who can be an edge but might be able to drop in coverage

    • j

      I think we would have trouble getting anything for an injured player like Sherman. I would seriously consider cutting him. Save us $11 mil in cap space.

    • Adog

      I definitely like the rashaad penny pick.

  8. LeoSharp

    I think all this trade talk of Earl will end up the same as last year Sherman talk. He’s a HoF at FS. This draft doesn’t even have a true FS. Next years draft is not looking a lot better and free agency over the next two years looks to have very limited options.
    He’d likely be replaced by Mcdougald who is above average at the position. Tedric Thompson is very
    uninspiring and with his level of athleticism he is most likely a career backup to average starter at best.

    • Rob Staton

      It’s a bit soon to judge Tedric Thompson.

      • Greg Haugsven

        I agree, I loved Thompson at Colorado, he isnt as fast as Thomas but that dude is an absolute ball hawk. if he was our starter at FS he would have the run support that Earl has (might be Hills job anyways) but you could see more picks from the back.

        • Greg Haugsven

          wouldnt have the run support that is.

    • Patrick T.

      It is definitely too soon to judge Thompson, but I also feel strongly that this speculation will end up as nothing. Earl played up to his standard last year and will be 29 next year. He’ll be back and it wouldn’t surprise me if they extended him, if they could get out of it in a few years.

    • 80SLargent

      I strongly agree about Earl. I think the talk of trying to trade him is crazy. I mean, it’s like the front office has said, they’ll listen on just about anyone, and if someone offered something stupid crazy for Earl, then what?
      Outside of that, trading Earl should be a non-starter. He’s the best safety of this decade. If Seattle traded him, they would immediately become a worse defense, and a worse football team, period, the end. Getting rid of Hall of Fame players is how you end up like the Browns. Ed Reed was a Pro Bowl player at 34 years old; Earl isn’t even 29 yet.
      Yes, there is going to be a lot of transition on the team, especially on defense, but it’s not – and should not – occur all in this off season. There’s already plenty just with the imminent retirements of Kam and Cliff.
      A lot of people are of the thought that Bennett won’t be back next season (Bennett included). I’m not onboard with that either, at least not this year. A trade or release only saves like $2M on this year’s cap; good luck replacing his production with that. He played the 3rd most snaps on the entire defense through multiple injuries. I think it would be best to keep him another year. Seattle needs more help at DE; getting rid of Bennett does not help.
      They already had Lane traded. Cutting him saves $4.75M.
      Avril’s retirement or release saves $7.5M.
      Cutting Jon Ryan saves $2M.
      I’m not sure how Kam’s situation will affect the cap since he just signed an extension in 2017, but like Rob has said, they should come to a compromise that is mutually beneficial, so maybe there’s some cap space regained.
      That puts the team in the neighborhood of $34M of cap space, with the “major” free agents of S. Richardson, P. Richardson, J. Graham, L. Joeckel, B. McDougald. The only one of those I really think Seattle keeps is McDougald. He should be kept as Kam’s replacement and Earl’s primary backup. Let the remainder receive huge contracts elsewhere so Seattle can get a bunch of comp picks in 2019.
      RFA tenders: Jordan, Coleman. Those seem like no brainers. Mike Davis is an RFA, but even an original round tender is like $2M and I don’t think he’s worth that.
      Re-sign: Shead and Maxwell. Both have good value as veterans in Seattle’s system, and shouldn’t cost too much to retain.
      That’s already plenty of transition this off season. Next off season’s major free agents:
      Thomas, Sherman, D. Brown, Wright, Clark, Lockett. While we all know this front office isn’t shy about turning a roster over, there’s no reason to push those decisions into this off season.

      • Tecmo Bowl

        Largent- I’m with you on Mike Bennett. Getting rid of him just doesn’t make sense any way you look at it. He’s not going to reap a high draft pick in a trade. $2m in cap savings is more like $1.4m in savings at best-using the rule of roster replacement. That’s not worthwhile for a player of Bennett’s ilk.

        I’m torn on resigning McDougald. If Earl is traded and Kam can’t go, then I’m all for keeping McD around. If Earl stays, as I hope, I’d like to see Hill get a crack at starting. When we drafted Hill thought he was the natural replacement for Kam in 2018…then we gave Kam a,well deserved,huge extension. In hindsight that extension was a massive mistake.

        • Greg Haugsven

          I as well would like to keep Mike B. Plus you would also like to have him for leadership as well on the DLine.

          • Ed

            I’m for getting rid of Mr. Offsides. He had 8.5 sacks, but didn’t really make a difference. You get Jones back, maybe McDowell and Jordan plays a full year. $2 million is $2 million and maybe you can get a 4th or 5th pick.

            • Tecmo Bowl

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              Michael Bennett says he played last couple months of #Seahawks season on a torn plantar fascia. That’s crazy. Try just walking with plantar fasciitis, let alone that tendon torn in the foot

              Bennett tore his plantar fascia week 5 vs the Rams. An injury that typically shelves a player 6-8 weeks. He didn’t miss a game and played 84.79% of the defensive snaps. Clark was 2nd of DL in snaps % at 67.4%. Let’s not forget he played through a torn rotator cuff earlier in his Hawks career. Bennett is a warrior.

              The offsides penalties, while infuriating, are nothing new for the 2 time pro bowler.

      • Rob Staton

        The 2018 saving isn’t the reason you cut or trade Bennett.

        It’s about the future. Getting younger, getting a big expensive veteran off the books completely for 2019. It’s also about culture. It’s time to have younger, hungrier guys fighting and competing to be the next core.

        • Trevor

          I agree Rob if they move Bennett is more about culture and transition than anything else because he is definitely still productive and will likely end up being a really good rotational pass rusher with a lot less snaps wherever he goes.

        • GerryG

          This point is valid, problem is how do they get younger? One draft pick early on and they have to use it to fix the run game. Even if Malik plays they still have a need for Mike Bs snaps. Unless they find a gem hidden somewhere

          • Rob Staton

            The change is already happening. Dion Jordan, Justin Coleman, Shaq, McDougald, Jarran Reed, Naz, Frank Clark.

            Of that group none are first round picks by Seattle. Two are second round picks. The rest have been acquired in other ways.

            And let’s not forget this great defense was built using day three draft picks and selective free agent acquisitions like Bennett and Avril.

        • Tecmo Bowl

          “The 2018 saving isn’t the reason you cut or trade Bennett. It’s about the future. Getting younger, getting a big expensive veteran off the books completely for 2019.”

          True. This is essentially ‘punting’ on 2018, which is hard for me to get behind. I’ll give it a rest on the MB situation and let it play out. Trading MB is not something I would do, but Goodell(see what I did there haha) knows my opinions on roster moves don’t factor into the thought process JS/PC.

          A trade of MB+5th for an early 3rd wouldn’t be terrible.

        • 80SLargent

          1. “Younger” in no way guarantees “hungrier”.
          2. Instead of having a coke and a smile for half a season, while collecting his “big expensive veteran paycheck” and letting his injuries heal, Bennett didn’t miss a game and played more snaps than any other D-linemen through those injuries.
          How much “hungrier” do you expect whatever guy replacing Bennett to be?
          Also, you talked about “culture”. What does it say to your entire team, if you take a guy like Bennett who battled through injuries to be on the field like he did, only to reward him by cutting him? I can guarantee you, other players would see that, and you’d see a culture shift all right, and most likely in the direction of being LESS hungry.

          • Rob Staton

            No younger doesn’t guarantee hungrier. But you’re turning my answer and trying to make out like it was a review of Bennett’s performance in 2017. Which it was not.

            The Seahawks need a new young core. It’s time to move on. There’s a reason why even Bennett himself is admitting he expects that to happen. Delaying this obvious need benefits nobody. This is a team in transition. And a new hungry core similar to the 2011 group is required.

            • GerryG

              I’m certainly ready for more youth, just hope they can figure out a way to get more picks this year to make it happen.

              Really really really hope Malik can play too. If he can contribute they still have all four years of club control on him too.

              • 80SLargent

                I’m still curious how McDowell’s situation affects/affected the salary cap. Is it a deal where he didn’t count in 2017, and his contract just restarts in 2018? Or did it count somehow against the cap in 2017, but restarts in 2018? I’m sure somebody “cap savvy” here has that answer.
                Rob, I’m with you. I want to see the roster transition into younger/cheaper on defense. I read your article “Why the defense has to be younger…” and I agree with the premise of all of it. Like I’ve said before, I just don’t think it’s necessary that the transition should all occur this off season. If they make a lot of these moves all at once, they’d basically be punting the next season or two after missing the playoffs this year. I’m not on board with that. There has to be a balance where the Seahawks remain contenders through the transition; that’s what they should be striving for and what we should all hope for.

  9. EP

    Unless there is a worthwhile defensive player still on the board I’d take him. If there is not clear value I’d trade down and take Ronald Jones. He’s just electric to the eye. Carson to churn the hard yards and Jones to come in and give us some electricity. Prosise on 3rd downs hopefully and maybe some receiver if we lose Richardson. And then keep Mike Davis as the fourth back, solid depth.

    • Patrick Toler

      I’m with you 100% on Jones. Incredible balance, great vision, and extremely hard to tackle in traffic. I’ll be doing backflips if we end up with him.

  10. Trevor

    I predict the Hawks draft a big 6-4 type receiver at some point in this draft and my guess is it will be Auden Tate or Jaleel Scott. I think both guys are really under rated and will be impact receivers on Sundays. I am praying they dont generate a lot of buzz and become real big risers during draft process.

    I really think the Hawks need a big WR and red zone target to go with Baldwin and Locket. The need will be even greater if Graham is gone as expected.

    • Trevor

      Cobbs (Ind) and Ateman (OkSt) could be other options. Plus Sutton (SMU) at 18 but I dont see them going WR that early.

    • Trevor

      Deon Cain (Clemson), Kirk (A&M), DJ Moore (Maryland) are not big WR but would look great in Hawks uniform as well.

      • Greg Haugsven

        Javon Wims from Georgia as well. His numbers arent great but they run the ball every game.

        • JimQ

          Most of these “bigger” WR’s should be available in the draft in Rd-3 or later.
          Rankings: 1/06/18 update,
          Note: There are a few other bigger WR’s that will likely go before Rd-3 and I haven’t listed any
          WR’s that are on the fence of declaring for the draft or a few others that I deemed unworthy.

          -WR-Michael Gallup, CSU, 6-005/200, 4.52/40 +/-, currently #92-overall, proj, Rd-3
          2017: 100/1413/7-TD’s, 14.13-ypc – 61-for 1-st downs, 36/15+, 13/25+
          -WR-J’mon Moore, Missouri, 6-021/205, 4.54/40 +/-, currently #108-overall, proj. Rd-3/4
          2017: 65/1082/10-TD’s, 16.65-ypc – 42-for 1-st downs, 27/15+, 12/25+
          -WR-Jake Wieneke, So. Dakota St, 6-031/215, 4.59/40 +/-, currently #112-overall, proj. Rd-3/4
          2017: 65/965/16-TD’s, 14.84-ypc (FCS) Career 53 games: 288/5157/59-TD’s, 17.90-ypc
          -WR-Cedrick Wilson, Boise St., 6016/188, 4.49/40 +/-, currently #129-overall, proj. Rd-4
          2017: 73/1290/17.67-ypc/6-TD’s, 50 receptions -for 1-st downs, 34/15+, 18/25+
          -WR-Javon Wims, Georgia, 6-026/215, 4.54/40 +/-, currently #132-overall, proj. Rd-4
          2017: 44/704/7-TD’s, 16.0-ypc, – 34 for 1-st downs, 21/15+, 9/25+
          -WR-Marcell Ateman, Oklahoma St., 6-032/220, 4.57/40 +/-, currently #144-overall, proj. Rd-4
          2017: 54/1049/8-TD’s, 19.43-ypc – 41 receptions for 1-st downs, 25/15+, 15/25+
          -WR-Jester Weah, Pittsburgh, 6-021/210, 4.59/40 +/-. currently #158-overall, proj. Rd-4/5
          2017: 41/698/4-TD’s, 17.02-ypc, – 26 for 1-st downs, 16/15+, 8/25+
          -WR-Jaleel Scott, New Mexico St, 6-046/215, 4.52/40 +/- currently #197-overall, proj. Rd-5/6
          2017: 73/1042/8-TD’s, 14.27-ypc- 44 for 1-st downs, 30/15+, 12/25+
          -WR-Steve Ishmael, Syracuse, 6-012/209, 4.53/40 +/-, currently #188-overall, proj. Rd-5/6
          2017: 105/1347/7-TD’s, 12.83-ypc – 59 receptions for 1-St downs, 31/15+, 12/25+

          Of all these WR’s, I think the most viable options for the Seahawks in the coming draft are:
          Rd-3: Gallup or Wieneke, Rd-4: Wilson or Ateman, Rd-5/6: Scott or Ishmael.
          If the Seahawks miss on Gallup, I’d hope they would at least draft Wilson, Scott and/or Ishmael.

        • CC

          Wims can block as well.

    • Tecmo Bowl

      Allen Lazard is one to watch as well. There’s quite a few good looking big WR’s in this class. We need to keep an eye on special teams-kick/punt coverage- along with WR skills. McEvoy has to go. He surprisingly regressed from his meh rookie season.

    • Jeremy

      Darboh? He’s not quite 6’4, but doesn’t he have pretty long arms? I expect him to improve significantly next year. I suppose that still shouldn’t stop them from drafting more competition though.

    • Misfit74

      Auden Tate, Equanimeous St Brown, or the smaller Gallup

      • Michigan 12th

        If we want to be the bully again we need to really focus on the trenches though

  11. Greg Haugsven

    I know this is a Seahawk blog but it would sure be fun to be on a Browns room. I know they were 0-16 last year but they could be a force. If they could talk Kirk Cousins into coming there (he grew up not far away) then draft Barkley at 1, trade back from 4 to 10 with a team wanting a QB. Draft Roquan Smith at 10.Trade 33 and 58 to Seattle for Earl Thomas. They could add Cousins and Barkley on offense to go along with Njoku, Coleman and Gordon. Then add Thomas and Smith on defense to go along with Garrett and Shelton. That could be worst to playoffs in one year. They would still have pick 33 and 65 as well.

    • Greg Haugsven

      Plus whatever they would get going from 4 to 10.

    • Trevor

      with all that draft capital and cap space no reason for them not to be a contender in 2 years.

      • CharlieTheUnicorn

        Yes there is… they are THE BROWNS. lawl (and have an awful owner)

    • Tecmo Bowl

      I’m rooting for the Browns to turn it around. Never like seeing a team go winless. They hold the keys to this draft with 6 picks in the top 65, along with $108m in cap space(how is that possible?!). New GM Dorsey has his work cut out for him, but really has a chance to shine with all that ammo. I’m excited for them too. They’re really a blank slate-meaning they can truly draft or sign the best players available regardless of position.

      Agreed they should take Barkley at #1. He’s as sure fire game changing RB as it gets. Brownies need sure fire talent. Wouldn’t be surprised to see them trade some picks for proven players.

  12. CharlieTheUnicorn

    The Browns are the most intriguing team in the draft. They are loaded with draft capital. They have a very competent GM in charge who arguably put together the Chiefs as they are currently constructed. A viable playoff contender each and every year.

    Why do we talk about the Browns so much…. what they do at #1 and #4 will absolutely have a ripple effect throughout the first round of the draft. Josh Allen is the guy I keep eyeing for them. The Wentz effect in action. As someone brought up shrewdly, Alex Smith might be enticed to join them as a quality starting QB. Imagine, a quality starting QB in Browns land…. they haven’t had one since…. the 1990s.

    So for sh*ts and grins, they go Allen at #1 and Barkley at #4….. that would be a very good nucleus to build around. Bring in a quality RB for depth (think Freeman or Gore for example) and you could have a very solid ground game…. with the other draft picks, they could sprinkle in some quality upper round WRs and shore up the defense (DL, LB,CB, S)… hell, they have plenty of picks. I absolutely trust the GM in charge now more than the old one, who was poor at talent evaluation.

    (my apologizes for turning this into a Browns forum) 😉

    • Ed

      But Jackson is still the head coach. They had so many games where they chose to pass the ball with Kizer instead of run the ball at all with Crowell. Not that he is Zeke, but him having at least 20 carries is a lot better than Kizer passing 35 times. And not because they were behind. I don’t know how many INT Kizer threw in the redzone. Crazy

      • Tecmo Bowl

        Was VERY surprised they kept Hue Jackson around. That team found every which way to lose. Hue’s decision making at the end of games reeked of desperation, and it backfired every game. That being said it’s kind of refreshing in today’s game of instant results, that GM Dorsey recognized a roster devoid of talent to compete, and is giving Hue another crack at it.

        • CharlieTheUnicorn

          Hue Jackson was the least of the Browns problems. They actually looked better toward the end of the season and narrowly lost 2 games by 3 points or less. The guys who made it to the end of the season with the team were still playing hard…. sign of a good coach. Let’s see what he can do with decent talent on the roster…. you need 8-10 blue chip (probowl/allpro) types to make a team click….. Browns have maybe 3 right now…. As mentioned before, the GM will absolutely turn this talent problem around in 2 seasons.

          • Tecmo Bowl

            They did play hard for Hue I’ll give him that.

          • Volume12

            1-31 says hi.

            He’s a man of his word though. Said after last year they’d never go 1-15 again under his watch and he was right. They went 0-16 instead.

            • Volume12

              A man literally kept a HC gig after going from 1 win to zero.

              I really hope for that fan bases sake, they deserve a hell of a lot better than 1-31, that GM John Dorsey recommended a coaching change. If not, then he’s as delusional as their owner.

              • drewdawg11

                Yeah but with the stuff going on in the front office, what’s he supposed to do? Win with that group? Lost Joe Thomas, young rookie QB, lack of overall talent. That was a zoo and the coach is the least of their concerns. How about successfully process a trade you already agreed upon?

              • Trevor

                I am with you Vol! I get frustrated because the Hawkss won’t get a new OL coach. Can you even comprehend how a coach in any league or sport has a job with a 1-31 record. It is mind boggling.

                It is not like he had a great track record before he went to Browns.

                My Davis Hsu type Hot Take

                Bill Bilechek and the Pats win SB then he and Kraft/Brady part ways. Haslem and the Browns bring Bilicheck back with 10 yr $200 mil contract and 10% ownership in team. 2021-22 SB Champs Cleveland Browns and Shaquon Barkley is SB MVP.

  13. Ishmael

    Completely unrelated to the Hawks, but I’d love to see Jackson end up with the Jags. Imagine him with Fournette and a fullback in the backfield. Could cause absolute havoc.

  14. Tecmo Bowl

    For UDUB fans- there’s 4 future Dawgs in the Army All American game Saturday 10 am post. QB. Yankoff. RB. Lowe. Dl. Draco. Lb. Kaho.

    • Dave

      Thanks for the heads up. Cool name, does Saquan Barkley remind you of another Tecmo Bowl great?

      • Tecmo Bowl

        Thanks! Barkley is a pretty unique player. You want me to say one of my all time idols- Bo Jackson- but I can’t do it. Barkley doesn’t have to that kind of top notch speed(who does?) or pure power that Bo had. Think Barkley compares more with Roger Craig with the pass catching versatility, similar size, tackle breaking ability, blocking. Could see SB getting 1000+ yards running and receiving in the same season like RC did in ’85. Barkley is way more athletic and >Craig.

        • H

          Saquon is Barry Sanders in Bo Jackson’s body.
          I think he’s gonna be one of the all time great running backs

  15. Kyle B

    Boy.. Norwell may have priced himself out today with that all pro honor. What a stud though. I think it was Sean Clement who put together a series of norwell clips over 3 games. He’s every bit the pass blocker that he is a mauler. How do you guys feel about drafting a guard not named McGlinchey?

    Also, thank you rob and the new cat, I think Brandon? This has replaced my obsession with Seahawks twitter (save my guy davis)

    • Greg Haugsven

      Yeah Norwell would be a great addition.

      • Volume12

        If I’m the 49esrs, I’d be seriously consider drafting Quenton Nelson in round 1 and adding Norwell in FA.

        LT- Staley
        LG- Norwell
        C- Kilgore
        RG- Nelson
        RT- T. Brown

        With Jimmy G slinging it around back there? Forgot about it. That’s 🔥

        • Trevor

          I am with you Vol that OL would be Cowboys level good and they have the cap space to do it!

          SF scares me more than the Rams the next 5 yrs. John Lynch seems to get it and now that Shanahan has a QB watch out.

      • Misfit74

        Pricey but agreed. Best guard on the market.

    • LeoSharp

      IMO Norwell should be the teams free agent priority. Even going as high as 14 mil APY I think his value is above anything you should expect from a guy like Sheldon Richardson (Not elite) or Richard Sherman (Injured), Kam Chancellor (Old and Injured), Michael Bennett (Old, Injured, declining).

      Regardless of whether they keep Cable or not I think they should continue the emphasis on zone blocking. Every team uses it and it is very adaptable and effective when the lineman actually block something. Too often guys are letting d-lineman run free or they are combo blocking in a terrible fashion.

      This team has been bleeding talent from the front office and the coaching rank. Other than Richard Seahawks coaches aren’t being interviewed for jobs. I look at losing Cable in a similar way to losing Bennett. He”s not producing at the level you want, He has a big influence on the team, There isn’t really a logical replacement.

      • Rob Staton

        $14m a year!?!


        • drewdawg11

          Not for that price, but I’m definitely interested in the player. Lord knows we need stability at guard. Also, we just paid Luke Joeckel $8 million to perform, well, like Luke Joeckel. Paying someone say… $11 million per year to be a pro bowl player? Yes please.

    • vrtkolman

      The Panthers line is really good, yet their offense really sucks.

  16. Kyle

    Well, its that time of the year where i do mock draft simulators with trades. I used First-pick as the site. I think they are off with the trade charts lmao, but still fun to do. Here price lasted till the second round so you know this aint right. I got my boy chubb right after, the only rbs gone were harris and barkley. And you can see where davenport was…. here’s to wishing.

    Your Picks:
    Round 2 Pick 5 (DEN): Billy Price, C/OG, Ohio State (A)
    Round 2 Pick 9 (N.E.): Nick Chubb, RB, Georgia (B+)
    Round 3 Pick 17 (LAC): Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, OLB, Oklahoma (B+)
    Round 3 Pick 24 (K.C.): Derrick Nnadi, DT, Florida State (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 4: Marcus Davenport, DE, Texas-San Antonio (A)
    Round 5 Pick 17 (LAC): Auden Tate, WR, Florida State (A)
    Round 6 Pick 2 (NYG): Daniel Carlson, K, Auburn (A+)
    Round 6 Pick 30 (PHI): JK Scott, P, Alabama (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 2 (NYG): J.T. Barrett, QB, Ohio State (A-)

    • Greg Haugsven

      There trade scenarios are mostay ridiculous, but your right as they are fun

      • drewdawg11

        I’ve said it before, JK Scott is a player we should target. He or Mitch W from Utah, but he sometimes out-kicks his coverage. Scott seems to always pin people back deep.

  17. Volume12

    I am so ready to see how close Ohio St CB Denzil Ward’s combine #’s come to his Ohio St testing #’s because they are absolutely insane.

    40: 4.23
    Vert: 39.5″
    Broad: 10’11”
    10 yd: 1.37
    SS: 3.88
    3 cone: 6.75

    • Volume12

      And if 5’10, 215 lb RB Mike Weber truly does run a 4.35, (highly, highly doubtful) good lord!

    • Misfit74

      Ward is too small for us (height for sure)

      • Volume12

        Didn’t mention anything about him as a Seahawk.

        Still interested to see how close these #’s end up being.

        • Millhouse-serbia

          Can he play FS?

  18. Misfit74

    I’ve seen Guice go top-8 in 2 different mocks today, unfortunately for us. I did land OG Q. Nelson (1st,pick 18) and OT C.Okorafor (4th) in a mock today. 🙂

    I’d be please if Okorafor could replace Ifedi at RT. Looking forward to learning more about him. Doubt he makes it anywhere near the 4th though.

    • drewdawg11

      Don’t worry. There’s almost zero chance he goes that early. We should be thrilled if he goes early. It pushes a better player down the board. We shouldn’t settle for Guice.

  19. Millhouse-serbia

    Rob i.know it is way too early, but what are your thoughts about 2019 draft generation?

    • Rob Staton

      It’s too early to have any ideas on the strength of the 2019 class.

    • Sea Mode

      A couple more stud RBs at the top seems likely, but probably not as many as this year. That’s about all I’ve got.

  20. Isaac

    I watched every game this year. When Bradley mcdougle took over I felt like teams nearly abandoned the middle of the field. In past years with kam they exploited his coverage skills. This year FELT different. If that is the case does the hawks that eliminate the need to take someone like James.

    • CC

      I like McDougald a lot – he got better and better in the defense the more he played. I’d like to resign him – no one will ever be Kam but he’d be a solid S

  21. Trevor

    Everyone scoffs at the idea of signing a Gaurd to a big $ deal but I would argue the Hawks should have signed Kevin Zeitler last year and should target Andrew Norwell this year.

    Hawks payed Graham and Joeckel $18 mil this year! Two soft an ineffective run blockers with injury concerns / history.

    If Pete wants to be a run first team they would be much better off spending $12 mil on Norwall 5yr /60 mil a pro bowl Guard. Then sign Eagles TE Trey Burton a young 25 yr old TE who is a good run blocker, great special teamer with upside in pass game 3yr/15 mil.

    2017 Joeckel / Graham $18 mil / 2018 Norwall, Trey Burton $17 mil

    Draft Sony Michel in Rd#2 after trade back

    OL LT Brown, LG Norwell, C Britt, RG Pocic, RT Ifedi or Fant
    TE Vannett, Burton, Willson
    RB Michel, Carson, Prosise, Davis

    Run Game Fixed!

    • Ed

      Makes sense to me. Especially if you get rid of some older expensive defenders (MB/RS/JL) and don’t resign any team FA (except BM).

      As long as they keep their philosophy and view on OL, the Hawks are in trouble. Stop letting TC try and change everyone and stop letting TC tell you the poop on the plate is a steak. Draft OL that maybe aren’t athletically the best, but are sound OL.

    • Tecmo Bowl

      JS did try hard to get TJ Lang last year-same $ as Detroit offered. Too bad Lang’s wife is from the Detroit area(that seemed to be the deciding factor), for everyone involved except the Lions. As far as cities are concerned I think even life long Detroitites would say Seattle>Detroit. haha

      This offseason has so many unknowns and potential moving parts. Could definitely see JS/PC being interested in Norwell, along with 31 other teams. It’s hard to see, at the moment, where the $/cap space would come from to sign a Norwell. Would love to have him though.

    • Rob Staton

      I don’t many people would scoff at the idea of a high investment at the guard position.

      I think the situation is — do you want to make a guard the second highest paid player on the team? Are you getting an elite player?

      I’d pay $14m a year for Zack Martin. But I’d be wary of paying that much for someone who might be more scheme dependant.

  22. drewdawg11

    Here is a crazy scenario: What if John Schneider really wants to go home to Green Bay? Is THIS how the Seahawks recoup some draft capital? Much like the scenario of Earl being traded, it’s based not on the desire to be rid of the guy, but the possible interest in that person wanting a new challenge. I have zero idea who would be in line to replace the man who helped build our roster, but if they really wanted him, I would make the price significant. I’m talking a first round pick minimum. That’s the price for a top GM to construct your next championship.

    • C-Dog

      When the Raiders dealt Jon Gruden to Tampa they received in exchange two R1 picks and two R2 picks. I would expect Paul Allen to name a similar price if it got down to it. One could argue that Seattle’s success is just as much attributed to JS as it is to PC.

  23. Getright18

    If Tremaine Edmunds falls to #18 then pull the trigger and make him a Seahawk, he is a must draft player. I would also be disappointed if we traded down if Derwin James, or Orlando Brown were still available.

    If we traded down I would want us to target Wake Forest DE Duke Ejiofor, IMO he is 1st round talent. Ejiofor has good size, length, he is a polished pass rusher, consistently disruptive, and highly productive. Then draft a RB with the pick we would acquire from trading down in the 1st round.

    • Sea Mode

      I love Edmunds as much as the next guy, but unless we acquire more picks by trading away Earl, how are we going to get a RB as well before R4?

      I know we say this every year, but this will be a make or break offseason for Schneider to navigate.

      • Greg Haugsven

        I agree Sea Mode. If no other picks are aquired pre draft it doesn’t matter who is available at 18, you almost have to trade back.

      • Tecmo Bowl

        “I know we say this every year, but this will be a make or break offseason for Schneider to navigate.”

        This year it really rings true. The Hawks are in transition, whether it’s a minor or major transition remains to be seen. The group think seems to be leaning heavily towards major moves, and it sure looks like that’s the case.

      • Getright18

        I don’t feel like Seahawks fans say this every year “I know we say this every year, but this is a make or break offseason for Schneider to navigate”. For me, THIS is the year is a make or break offseason for Schneider, while in previous years not so much.

        Trading down in the first round is not our only option to acquire a 2nd or 3rd round pick for this draft. Trading ET is the most obvious, yet most painful. Another way would to be trading a 2019 2nd round pick for another teams 3rd round pick this year…or trading our 2019 1st round pick for a teams 2nd round pick this year.

  24. Trevor

    Realistic 2018 Off Season IMO

    2018-2019 Cap Increases from $167 mil to $178 mil ($11 mil Increase)
    2018-2019 Salary Commitments $155 mil+ Dead Money $4mil
    Current Cap Space $19 mil

    -Bennett Traded to TB for 4th RD Pick #104 (Save $2mil Cap Space)
    -Avril Retires ($7.5 mil cap Space)
    -Kam Retires with Injury settlement and is named DB coach ($2.5 mil Cap Space)
    -Lane Cut (4.5 mil Cap Space)
    -Ryan Cut ($2 mil Cap Space)
    -Earl Traded to Jags for a 1st Rd Pick #26 (Cap Savings $8.5 mil)

    Total Cap Saving $27 mil
    2018/19 Cap Space $46 mil – $10 mil for rookies and PS etc /$36 mil available

    -Joeckel-(Signs elsewhere 5th Rd Comp)
    -Graham- (Signs elsewhere 4th Rd Comp)
    -PRich-(Signs elsewhere 4th Rd Comp) Lost When Sign Burton
    -Sheldon Rich (Signs elsewhere 3rd RD Comp) Lost when Sign Norwell
    -Luke Willson (Signs elsewhere 5th RD Comp)
    -Rawls, Lacy let walk no comp pick

    -Sherm comes back healthy and signs 3yr extension mid season
    -Frank Clark (5 yr/$60 mil extension) 6yrs total cap hit next year $6 mil increase
    -Dion Jordan Signs (1yr RFA Tender then long term deal in Nov. ) $2.5 mil Cap hit
    Bradley Mcdougald (3yr /$18 mil deal) $5 mil cap hit
    Justin Coleman (3yr $10 mil deal) $3mil cap hit
    Maxwell (2yr /$6mil) $2.5 mil cap hit

    Total Cap Hit $ 19 mil

    Free Agency
    Andrew Norwell (5yr/$60 mil) $10 mil cap hit and loose comp pick for Richardson
    Trey Burton (4yr/20 mil) $4mil Cap Hit and lose comp pick for PRich
    Eric Reid (3yr/15mil ) $4mil Cap Hit

    Total $18 mil

    Trade #18 to Bills for #22 and #94
    Trade #26 from Jags to Browns for #33 and #65

    RD#1 Pick #22 Christian Wilkins (DT Clemson)
    RD 2 Pick #33 Marcus Davenport (Edge/UTSA)
    RD 3Pick #65 Sony Michel (RB/Georgia)
    RD 3 Pick #94 Lorenzo Carter (LB/Georgia)
    RD 4 Pick #104 Jaleel Scott (WR/NMXST)
    RD 4 Pick #116 Kyzir White (S/W.Vir)
    RD #5 Pick #132 Kameron Kelly (CB/ SDST)
    RD #5 Pick #137 Greg Gaines (DT/Wash)
    RD #5 Pick # 159 Shaqeem Griffen (LB/UCF)
    RD #7 Pick #200 Daniel Carlson (K/Auburn)
    RD #7 Pick #209 Dixon (P/Texas)
    RD #7 Pick #222 Kalen Ballage (RB or FB / Ariz)

    QB Wilson, Davis
    RB Michel, Carson, Prosise, Davis
    FB Ballage
    OL Starters Brown, Norwell, Britt, Pocic, Ifedi or Fant
    OL Depth Roos, Fant, Rees, Hunt
    TE Vannet, Burton, Swoopes
    WR Baldwin, Locket, Darboh, Moore, Scott

    DE Clark, Jordan, Davenport, Mcdowell
    DT Wilkins, Jones, Reed, Jefferson
    LB Wags, KJ, Carter, Garvin, Griffen
    CB Sherm, Griffen, Coleman, Elliott, Shead or Maxi
    S Mcdougald, Reid, Hill, Thompson or Kyzir White

    • Ed

      Like the cuts, resigns and signs except for Reid. You keep BM and let Hill or Thompson play the other spot. As for the draft, would be nice but those players aren’t falling that far.

      • Greg Haugsven

        I agree on Reid but like a lot of the rest. Would prefer to go younger and cheaper on Defense and let Hill be our SS. My nitpick would be 5 year deals which doesn’t really matter for your exercise but the Hawks always max out at 4 year deals.

        • Tecmo Bowl


    • peter

      I think Scott lacks explosiveness. he seems like a “long strider,” and seattle tends to value quicker cutting ability in and out of routes. but otherwise I like that draft.

  25. Ed

    Hawks denied Packers to talk to JS.

    • SeahawkeyezSubj80

      Whew! Green Bay going to have to come with a Kings Ransom to make it happen (Draft Picks)

      • Hawk Eye

        or offer him control over the 53 man roster, in which case, it is an upgraded job and maybe no permission needed???

        • Ed

          I know for upgraded coaching jobs that works, not sure about GM.

        • C-Dog

          Word has it that control over 53 doesn’t = upgraded job, it’s all in the title. It would be an exhausting argument for Green Bay to make to the league.

          • Greg Haugsven

            Schneider must have interest or he would come out and shoot it down or reject the request like Reggie McKenzie did.

  26. Sea Mode

    Forgot to give a shout out to one of my draft crushes from last year WR Chris Godwin, who ended up going #84 overall. Tampa finally decided to throw him the ball and look what happened!

    7 for 12/111yds/1 TD (and inches away from another)

    Chris Godwin Highlights | Saints vs. Buccaneers | Wk 17 Player Highlights

  27. John_s

    A small school product that I really like is Danny Johnson CB from Southern. He doesn’t fit Seattle’s size profile but I think he’s going to be a good slot corner or even a really good FS

  28. SeahawkeyezSubj80

    I was given a C in this draft, with first i would still be very happy if this was our 2018 draft without trading Earl, Richard, or Bennett.

    1. R2 pick 4(CLE): Damien Harris. RB.
    2. R2 pick 6 (NYJ): Tremaine Edmunds. OLB
    3. R3 pick 6(NYJ): Isaiah Wynn. OG
    4. R4 pick 23 (JAX): Marcus Davenport. DE
    5. R5 pick 4 B.J. Hill DT
    6. R5 pick 23 (JAX) Isaiah Prince OT
    7. R6 pick 3 (IND) Auden Tate WR
    8. R6 pick 29 (T.B.) Christian Campbell CB
    9. R7 pick 3 (IND) Myles Gaskin RB
    10. R7 pick 32 Ben Johnson TE

    P.S. I don’t think Myles Gaskin declaring for NFL draft this year (pick best punter/kicker)

    • Ed

      Works for me.

      • SeahawkeyezSubj80

        * without trading Earl. Cutting Richard or Bennett

        • SeahawkeyezSubj80

          Resign McDougald, Coleman, and Bmax. Sheldon Richardson or Richard Sherman. Joeckel, Lacy, Graham, Paul Rich. are gone. Blair Walsh Experiment and John Ryan have run its course. IMO.

    • peter

      first pick is funny how they score and rank players. we on this blog tend to overvalue to be sure but they tend to severely undervalue.

      • Greg Haugsven

        Thats an A+ but is unrealistic as well.

    • Ed

      Nothing comes up, what are the quotes?

      • Kenny Sloth

        Weird. Some shit about Joeckle not coming back. Ifedi staying at RT.

        Cable really likes Brown

  29. Del tre

    In all these scenarios where Earl is traded, are people really expecting McDougold to be able to play FS an entire season and adequately replace Earl? Might i remind everyone we still lost the Washington game without Earl, and its not exactly like Terrell didn’t fill in well for the game against Tampa (14 points total from Tampa that day). I think we need to be careful with what we wish for, as even for one year, a 2nd rounder probably won’t be adequate compensation for Earl because he is so important in this scheme. I get that everyone is excited, but and ET trade is not something anyone should really expect or want.
    Yes there will be some changing of the guard, but trading KJ wright wont make you any better, neither will trading Earl, it actually puts us closer to a team that deservedly lost 42-7. People keep acting like we were some made field goals a2ay from 12-4. This team isn’t that far off the fat just needs to be trimmed a bit.

    • Greg Haugsven

      Obviously he wouldnt be Earl but who would be. McDougald also isnt Steven Terrell. When it comes to an Earl trade you have to say its not ideal but its possible. There are positives both ways.

  30. Greg Haugsven

    What do you guys think about having an off-season contest?

    What they will do withere there main free agents? sign or not

    What players will get traded/released?

    Will they sign any outside free agents over $5 million a year?

    Will they trade back in the draft? If so stay in the first or go all the way to the second.

    Maybe we could get Rob involved and maybe make a post. I wouldnt mind tracking it to tally scores.

    Could be alot of fun for us off-season dorks.

    • C-Dog

      I did a big ridiculous 2017 prediction mock last year at this time that covered free agency, cuts and trades, draft, and their season. It was pretty silly on one level, but I also found it a fun thought exercise as to what paths the team could go.

      I kept a copy of it to reflect. Didn’t get a lot of the players Right that they would acquire, but nailed a lot of the positions that they would address via free agency and draft.

      Also predicted RW would have a monster year in passing and running, which by default, came true, but not in the way I expected.

      It’s a fun exercise.

    • peter

      I think it could be fun. super hard to do draft picks before the combine. I could see a little gentleman’s bet for bragging rights though.

      • Greg Haugsven

        Good your both in. It wouldnt actually be the draft pick as it would be where they draft. We could even just remove the draft part all together and just go with Free Agency which there could be a ton.

  31. Ed

    Coaches – Status Quo (Boooooooo)
    Team veterans – MB gone. CA/KC retire
    Team UFA – All gone except BM
    League UFA – Nothing big
    Draft – Trade back and get RB

  32. Greg Haugsven

    I read some reports saying how importantit is for the Seahawks to resign Jimmy Graham. I just don’t get it. Yeah he had 10 touchdowns but his production on the rest of the field was terrible. He was basically your red zone rushing offense. If you can fix the run game that would help with his production. I would be disappointed if they resigned him.

    • CC

      And I don’t think he wants to play in this offense – he doesn’t want to block. I could see him end up with a team like SF – Jimmy G to Jimmy G – running a Patriots type offense with heavy TE play or maybe the Texans. I could see BOB giving Watson a TE to help out his young QB.

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