On Wednesday we discussed the need to keep an open mind when it comes to the Seahawks and linebackers in the draft. It’s clear they like highly athletic players at the position (Bobby Wagner, Kevin Pierre-Louis, Malcolm Smith) but they also like K.J. Wright — a 6-3, 246lbs bigger linebacker with 4.71 speed.
And then it suddenly occurred to me…
A year ago the Seahawks invited Alabama linebacker Reggie Ragland to the VMAC for a pre-draft visit. It was a weird one at the time because Ragland didn’t test well in the forty, vertical or broad jumps.
You can see how important these visits and workouts are from the list below:
Reminder of unofficial VMAC visits and workout list- pic.twitter.com/CAHknyNW3p
— DAVIS HSU (@DavisHsuSeattle) April 28, 2016
If the Seahawks were visiting with Ragland they were likely interested in drafting him (and were thinking of adding a linebacker last year, not just this year).
Officially he ran a 4.72 at 6-1 and 247lbs, jumped 31.5 inches in the vertical and 9-8 in the broad. He’s as quick as K.J. Wright but less explosive.
The drill where he excelled was the short shuttle. Ragland’s 4.28 was the sixth best by a linebacker at the 2016 combine.
It would’ve been the sixth best at the 2017 combine too if he was part of this years draft.
In comparison, K.J. Wright ran a 4.46.
Here’s how Lance Zierlein described him in his draft bio:
Thumping inside linebacker with throwback size and tonesetting mentality. Ragland is a confident and capable early starter in league who has the temperament to become one of the premier run-stopping inside linebackers in the pro game. Ragland has some coverage and speed limitations, but his instincts and overall awareness should be able to mask those issues.
Ragland didn’t have straight-line speed or explosive traits. He was big, physical and agile. And the Seahawks, seemingly, had some interest.
You know who else ran a 4.28 short shuttle? Bobby Wagner at the Utah State pro-day. Ragland didn’t have Wagner’s speed or explosiveness but he had similar agility.
This could be the test to focus on when judging who the Seahawks might draft at linebacker this year.
Here are the linebacker performers in the short shuttle at the 2017 combine:
= 1. T.J. Watt — 4.13
= 1. Ben Gedeon — 4.13
3. Blair Brown — 4.18
4. Duke Riley — 4.21
= 5. Alex Anzalone — 4.25
= 5. Brooks Ellis — 4.25
7. Zach Cunningham — 4.29
8. Vince Biegel — 4.30
9. Connor Harris — 4.31
10. Anthony Walker Jr. — 4.34
Note: Tyus Bowser, who recorded the fastest three cone by a linebacker, didn’t run a short shuttle.
There’s further evidence that the short shuttle is a crucial test. Kevin Pierre-Louis ran a 4.51 at his combine but his 4.02 short shuttle is the seventh best by a linebacker in the last ten years. They drafted him.
The fastest time in the last ten years (3.96) was run by Jordan Tripp. He signed with the Seahawks last September before landing on injured reserve and eventually being waived. Tripp was a 4.67 runner at his combine but performed well in the agility tests.
At the start of free agency a year ago the Broncos put a second round tender on linebacker Brandon Marshall. Troy Renck reported the Seahawks and Dolphins were showing interest. Marshall ran a 4.81 forty at the 2012 combine but had a superb 4.09 short shuttle.
A tough, physical linebacker with excellent agility could be the profile the Seahawks are looking for — not just the SPARQ standouts.
Go watch the names in the list above — plus Tyus Bowser and Jarrad Davis (just in case) — and look for the toughest, meanest run defender.
It’ll be really interesting to see how Davis tests at the Florida pro-day on March 28th. Hopefully he’ll do a short shuttle and three cone on top of the usual drills.
Despite running middling forty times the likes of Zach Cunningham, Alex Anzalone, Vince Biegel, Anthony Walker Jr. and others could very much be on Seattle’s radar. Oklahoma’s Jordan Evans ran a 4.28 short shuttle at his pro-day this week. It’s also more ammunition for those wanting to see T.J. Watt and Tyus Bowser in Seattle.
If there’s something in this, the Seahawks should have no problem adding a linebacker or two they like between rounds 1-3.
While this isn’t a fast group of LB’s — there’s plenty of agility and toughness.
Meanwhile, this piece by Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks lends support to our post-combine suggestion that Obi Melifonwu and Kevin King could be the two players Seattle focuses on at #26.
According to Brooks, Melifonwu is ‘more than a HWS (height-weight-speed) monster’:
He’s an active box defender with outstanding instincts, awareness and a nose for the ball. Melifonwu is a tackling machine who’s capable of displaying “thump” or wrap-up skills in the hole. He rarely misses runners in the open field and his secure tackling skills will make him a coveted player in defensive meeting rooms around the league.
Looking at his career resume, it’s not a coincidence that his tackling production has steadily improved over his four years as a starter (70 in 2013, 75 in 2014, 88 in 2015, 118 in 2016). He not only has a knack for finding the ball but he takes good angles and flashes some explosiveness upon contact. Melifonwu’s superb tackling places him ahead of some prospects who lack the discipline, courage and toughness to hit runners squarely in the chest.
Brooks also suggests: ‘I can see him thriving in a Kam Chancellor-like role as a pro‘.
With Chancellor’s contract set to expire after the 2017 season — the Seahawks might be thinking it’s time to plan ahead.
Meanwhile, Jeremiah has this to say about Washington cornerback Kevin King:
King has outstanding size and he ran much faster than evaluators expected. He also had an outstanding field workout, displaying excellent quickness and change-of-direction skills. Heading into the combine, I had King just outside my list of the draft’s top 50 players, but he clearly established himself as a top-40 selection with his performance in Indianapolis. This draft is loaded with talented cornerbacks, but his combination of size, length, ball skills and speed could make him a late-first-round pick.
If the Seahawks are ever going to take a cornerback in the first round, it feels like it’d be for a player like King. Length, straight-line speed, short-area quickness and agility. He’s a genuine freak of nature, doing everything well at the combine.
It was interesting to see a Seahawks coach work out Shalom Luani at his pro-day. That’s a name to watch for Seattle.
And there’s another name to add to the TEF list (explained here). Chris Muller’s performance at the Rutgers pro-day earned him a 3.25 score. Purdue guard Jason King, another player not invited to the combine, scored 3.30 at his pro-day on Wednesday.
TEF ALERT at Rutgers!
OT Chris Muller (6055, 312) *listed size
3.25 TEF
101.48 wTEF
34 BP
29 VJ
9’2″ BJ
and a 5.10 40yd to boot.
https://twitter.com/RFootball/status/840276091675762688/photo/1
And we’re at Rutgers literally every year
Thanks for the note — added to the piece.
You had me at Crack Rob, Cheers. just jesting
Go, You know!
Listed at 6’6″, 220. Would have had the 3rd best vert among WR at the combine and the 4th best 3-cone.
https://twitter.com/RFootball/status/840273599927861253/photo/1
My question is: where is the production on a very bad team?
Rob,
If both King and Obi are there at 26, and assuming Seattle won’t trade down (in this instance) and they really want both of them, which one is most likely to slip down draft boards?
My initial thinking is Obi, because he doesn’t have such a well established position. It’s tough to take a player early if he is changing positions, or if there isn’t an established role in the drafting team’s defense.
On the other hand, with so many talented CBs, perhaps King falls.
In any case, JS will have a much better feel for this, and my suspicion is that if they are even close, he goes with the guy less likely to be there in the second round.
Your thoughts?
I think Obi is more likely to last into the 35-40 range but both could go in the first.
I am thinking that Obi doesn’t get past Dallas.
They’ll be in the safety market for sure.
Do you?
I thought Obi’s physical profile and role of The Guy at UConn would make him a safer bet in some teams eyes.
Kevin King wasn’t really the best corner on his own team though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBByDRif7UE
Lots of Obi highlights in this 3 1/2 min. video, can definitely see excellent tackling ability on the RBs (even mentions rugby – Seahawks? – style tackle at 3 min.) and length, speed and explosiveness to grab interceptions, mainly the 1st one. Really hoping JS drafts either King or Obi with 26, then uses our 2nd and one of our 3rds to trade up near the top of round 2 to get the other one. To equal draft value, may need to add a 4th or better from 2018. Then get another CB or S (Luani?) and say Anzalone at LB with our 2 remaining 3s. That could set up our LOB halfway through next decade long after Kam, Sherm and ET are gone, and possibly win another SB or 2 while they’re still here.
Draft Value Chart – http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php
Well he is now
King is the faller of the two imo
Most teams have their boards set already and both could be lower than we’re projecting.
We do this every year. Just rocket guys up our community draft board.
Which actually gives me an idea. How great would a real community big board be? Members could add players they like and we can update based on each others evaluations.
Sick of projecting guys in the third and they don’t get taken until the sixth
I’m all for it. Set it up!
(And to be fair, this year Rob nailed those two guys, Bolles, and Reddick waaaay before they “shot up” at the combine.)
But they didn’t shoot up real teams’ boards I don’t think.
Merely confirmed the athleticism and competitiveness
I still think Reddick is in range for us
Just because players aren’t covered in the media doesn’t mean teams aren’t fully aware of them already. Their draft position likely didn’t change much from the combine but it may have already been high and now the media guys are just catching up to scouting departments across the league
I’ll look into it.
Some kind of Google doc or something?
That definitely sounds interesting.
NFL.com does a ‘predict the first round picks’ competition each year – anyone interested in setting up a SDB league for fun?
I’m in!
im in as well
Yeah, Google could work. I don’t have any better ideas. Maybe a top 106 since that’s where we pick?
I ain’t real good at techno stuff.
If someone more computerally inclined were to volunteer im sure they could do a better job.
I think we could extend it as long as we had players to put in.
The logistics could be muddy if.some disagreed on the range.
Maybe make it open with only a few people with edit privilege.
Like I said. Its an idea.
It is going to need to be a database to give you individual record locking. Gotta support multiple users doing updates concurrently.
Yeah that’s what I was thinking.
Maybe just have mods and an open thread for people to voice their ideas and disagreements.
Like I said. I’m not so good with web stuff. Which is not what you’re supposed to say when you’re a millenial
Maybe a webinar style film study on one guy a week.
I completely agree. I think Obi is too unique at safety to make it past 2.10 ish; the top of the safety depth isnt as deep as the corners. King is who I think has the best chance of making it to 2.26… but i really think we should figure out a way to get to the mid half of the 2nd round to ensure we can grab Obi + Kevin. Then we can target a LB – My fantasy is something where we fall back out of rd1 – end up with (3) round2 picks That way we can still grab a great LB like TJ/Cunningham/bowser
I think you have to go King because our worst starter right now is at CB2.
If you can only have one I agree King would be my pick as well.
Man, you weren’t kidding about that epiphany Rob
That makes sense agility is more important in tight spaces
Yeah. Agreed. Makes a ton of sense. I’m sure a more national writer will mention this soon without referencing they learned it here first.
how often does a linebacker run 40 yds in a straight line?
vs
how often does a linebacker have to run 10-20 yds and avoid some blockers to get to the guy with the ball?
Great read. I really like Anthony Walker Jr, as well as Anzalone. It would be great if one of those guys, or perhaps Duke Riley, was avaliable towards the end of the third. I am really liking Miami safety Reyshawn Jenkins. I think it is highly possible that seattle drafts two safeties this year.
If the shear depth of corner causes a miracle and pushed King down:
1. Obi Melinfonwu, Free Safety, Big Nickel
2. Kevin King, Right Corner, Nickel
3. Anthony Walker Jr., backup MLB,
3. Reyshawn Jenkins, SS
3. Nazair Jones, (big run stopping DT)
6. Joe Mathis, potential SAM, Pass rush
7. Aviante Collins, G, swing tackle, TCU
I’m pretty curious to see where Mathis goes. If he someone goes unnoticed (Travis Feeney was drafted in round 6 last year) this could be a potential steal for Seattle.
Again, not sure on where Collins goes.
I haven’t heard a peep on Naz Jones on this blog. I really like him.
Then listen more carefully…
https://seahawksdraftblog.com/updated-two-round-mock-draft-22nd-february#comment-310204
(sorry, couldn’t resist 🙂 )
haha missed that. I agree with you on Jones though. I think he is a guy Seattle would really like. Especially since signing a FA DT seems to be less and less of a possibility.
And to be fair, Vol will always see them before we do…
https://seahawksdraftblog.com/why-the-seahawks-might-show-interest-in-nick-chubb#comment-291558
That said, I also commented that his combine performance threw some ice water on my excitement for him:
I was high on Naz Jones as a late rounder who could develop into something later on, but he had the worst 3C time (7.93) of the entire class and is not very explosive either. That doesn’t bode well for his chances of becoming a Hawk. Length sure is nice though, and the SS was good. Maybe he just had a poor rep in the 3C or something.
6051, 304, 34 5/8 arm, 2.48 TEF, 4.63 SS, 7.93 3C
+1
I only knew him as Naz Jones. Haha
I think it is possible for King to fall.
1. Since his tape is always against the number 2 receiver, (Sid Jones trailed the number 1) this could cause some concern by teams scouting his tape.
2. his tackling isnt… great. Not Witherspoon bad at all. But not a great tackler.
3. Bigger corners are usually met with skepticism.
4. Still a lingering perception that he has sub-par *deep speed*
5. Underwhelming interception totals.
6. Just the sheer amount of corners in this draft. Kind of like how last year Reed went in round 2, and Andrew Billings in round 4.
7. Some teams may seem him more as a safety than corner.
Just a few thoughts.
I think he is a really good player with great character. Perfect locker room fit.
I don’t think they flipped positions…
Their scheme reminded me of Seattle’s a ton last year.
Especially the skinny #1 trying to lay the wood xD
You may be right. Sorry about that.
However, there is still the perception that he was the “second best” to Jones.
And I agree with that.
However it’s not very fair of us (cuz I just made the same point) to take away from Kings abilities just because Sid Jones was/is better
Like you could say they were both only good because of Budda Baker of you wanted.
You already know nichansen01 I don’t gotta tell you.
I also loved Walker Jr.’s tape and think he has BWagz build, but it turned out at the combine that he only has 30 3/8 arm (vs. 33in for Wagz) and ran a 4.65 (vs. 4.46 for Bobby). So not really on my radar any more.
Good points. Anzalone would probably my preferred pick to Walker but I am not hopeful about his availability late third.
Might be time to put Walker Jr back on the radar given his short shuttle time.
Great character and production.
That would be a great proof of your theory here, for sure. Short shuttle and nothing else athletically or lengthwise.
Kansas St. Connection
I wasn’t in love with his tape, his lack of length was apparent.
What is his projected round in your opinion?
Good stuff as usual Rob, Id be curious to hear your take on Blair Brown at some point, if you get the chance to watch him. His name is floating around there kind of as a potential sleeper and his athletic measurables are quite good.
Hey, Rob, great insight! And right when you mention that, someone ties the combine-best short shuttle time!
Kevin Marquez, listed at 6-1, 241.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6lAL9LXAAACffI.jpg
But he wasn’t even a starter though. Big special teams guy I guess. Still, some great numbers and could be a UDFA project or something.
Rutgers had some athletes this year. Too bad the product on the field was so poor.
Yeah I went to the UW Rutgers game this year and man was that a mismatch.
Rob, how do you think King will adapt to the Seahawks DB system? Does his talent dictate that he could really contribute as a rookie or would he need the traditional Seahawk season-plus of learning the step-kick style?
I think it’ll be hard for any rookie CB to start and prosper but their hand might be forced this year.
The only way I’d trade down from 26 is if all of Watt, King, and Obi are still on the board. I’d be happy taking whichever of those guys lasts the longest if it means picking up extra picks.
The bad part of taking Watt is that CB2 is still the worst starting position on the team, imo. But perhaps they could use the ammunition gained from trading down to trade back up into the second round.
I think Im with you – I love all three but might put Watt third just because of positional needs. But, the flip side is that corner is so deep that if you did go TJ in round one you could get Weatherspoon in round 2 and still get a pretty good player imo.
@MikeGarafolo
Three-year deal for $25.5m, $12.75m guaranteed for Jabaal Sheard, @RapSheet Just said on air
2:06 PM – 10 Mar 2017
That’s with the Colts.
@MikeGarafolo
Alshon Jeffery’s deal w/ Philly: $7.75m signing bonus, $1m base (gtd), $750k workout and $4.5m in incentives for yds, catches, Pro Bowl, etc
1:56 PM – 10 Mar 2017
wow, that is a really good deal.
Great deal, although essentially another one-year prove it situation. If he dominates, he’ll be in for a massive contract.
I like the idea of using a VMAC visitor who could be seen as an outlier athletically to attempt to gain deeper insight into the Hawks’ evaluation process.
Looking at my spreadsheet on the Hawks’ LB’s, the average SS time for the whole group is 4.22. Using the player data on mockdraftable.com, it appears an LB with a 4.22 SS time would be in the 66th percentile of that test, which is pretty solid.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1t8eGy7M5aSqqA5Yx2jVgqq2-OoFlnMJ7G4jHLRzkVTY/edit#gid=596355207
However there is a much stronger correlation with vertical jump and especially broad jump results for Seahawks’ LB’s. The average vertical jump result of 37.5″ is in the 86th percentile, while the average broad jump of 10’5″ is in the 92nd percentile. The 40-times appear to be just as elite.
The data indicates that they value lower body explosiveness at LB as much as they do on the offensive line, and that explosion is prioritized over agility at LB. Ultimately, the Hawks prefer outstanding athletes at LB as much or more than at any other position, which is captured in their elite Sparq scores.
I love Sparq because it does a fantastic job of balancing the athletic tests to give an accurate snapshot of a player’s athletic ability. The only variable it doesn’t account for is length, which helps to explain why K.J. Wright is the only non-elite athlete they’ve drafted or signed at the position – he has ridiculous 35″ arms.
In the case of Ragland, I think there were a couple potential factors at play. One may have been to gain insight from another “alpha” teammate on Jarran Reed, a player they were clearly high on. Second is the Alabama factor – Alabama’s defense is by far the most disciplined in college football, year after year. Seattle’s defensive scheme requires such assignment-sound football, that they may be willing to overlook certain athletic shortcomings to add players from the Tide. Jarran Reed, for example, was the worst athlete they’ve drafted or signed as a UDFA at the DT position in the PCJS era. This second factor is why I think they may have interest in Dalvin Tomlinson this year, or even Jon Allen if he drops all the way to 26.
For Ragland specifically, his shuttle time wasn’t materially better than his broad jump. His shuttle puts him at 57% percentile among LB’s, and his broad jump at 50th percentile:
https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/reggie-ragland?position=LB
+1
But perhaps interest in Ragland shows a step away from their love for elite jumps at the LB spot.
Looking for short area burst to manuever between the tackles.
See my second comment above – he performed about the same in the short shuttle as he did in the broad jump: average.
The Hawks may have been doing their homework for a player who was flagged medically as well. At what point does a good prospect like that become a value in the draft, even if he doesn’t meet the athletic measurables you look for?
The point in the piece is that while they really like overall athleticism, interest in a guy with a middling profile who excels in the short shuttle suggests they’re prepared to look at that type too.
Yes, they’ve taken a lot of very good athletes. But K.J. Wright wasn’t fast, he was explosive. And Ragland wasn’t fast or explosive but he was very agile. And KPL, Trapp and others have great short shuttle’s.
So it looks like a really good short shuttle on a tough SOB linebacker is appealing too.
Thats where Walker comes into play. Davis too although he gets banged up a lot. Beigle is a tough SOB although he missed 3 or 4 game’s mid-season. One of my favorites though.
It wasn’t that he was elite in this regard it’s that he met the requirement in that drill and we were targeting him.
This redefines our athletic ideal imo.
The Hawks have never been afraid to trade their 1st round pick either via trade back or for a Vet star (Harvin / Graham)
The Jets are in complete rebuild mode so how about JS pulls off this trade and draft
Seahawks Trade the Jets their 1st in 2018 + 2017 3rd round comp pick for the Jets 2nd rounder #39 overall.
Seahawks 2017 Draft
Rd #1 26th Obi Melinowfu (S / UConn) Athletic Freak who can come in an contribute day #1 and be groomed as the long term replacement for Kam if needed. Ideal guy to cover today’s huge athletic TEs.
Rd#2 39th Kevin King (CB / Wash) My favorite college CB in a while coming out . Ideal long term CB opposite Sherm but could start in the slot with his elite quickness.
Rd#2 58th Tyus Bowser (LB / Hous) Ideal 3 down lb to go with Bobby and KJ . He has a ton of pass rush upside as well.
Rd#3 90th Bucky Hodges (TE / V-Tech)- Terrible blocker but nice receiver and almost identical physical profile to Jimmy Graham. Give him a year to learn system and how to block and he could be an incredible weapon.
Rd#3 Comp 102nd Issac Asiata (G / Utah)- Tough and nasty competes for a Guard spot and backups Britt at Center.
Rd #6 Robert Davis (WR / Georgia St.)- Athletic freak who is the type of big WR Pete loves. Developmental guy to start but would likely be good special teamer as well.
Rd#7 Aviante Collins (OL / TCU)- After his pro day I bet he is a TEF freak. He looks the ideal ZBS Ol and his tape is not that bad could be an ideal swing backup / development guy
Rd #7 Zane Gonzalez (PK / Ariz St.)
This draft would take the athletic profile of the defense to a whole other level and provide replacements longer term for Kam and Jimmy in case deals cannot be worked out with those guys.
No to that specific deal, but I feel it
The Jets GM can’t afford to do that. He has to win and show improvement now or he won’t be around to make those picks.
They are in complete dump mode he would not be doing that unless he and Woody were on the same page. But you may be right. I make the the call to everyone picking in the top of the 2nd to find out.
HAve them throw in sheldon richardson for good measure!
Your Picks:
Round 2 Pick 4 (CHI): Obi Melifonwu, SS, Connecticut (B+)
Round 2 Pick 7 (NYJ): T.J. Watt, OLB, Wisconsin (A-)
Round 2 Pick 26: Kevin King, CB, Washington (B+)
Round 3 Pick 26: Dalvin Tomlinson, DT, Alabama (B+)
Round 3 Pick 38 (COMP): Dawuane Smoot, DE/OLB, Illinois (B)
Round 3 Pick 42 (COMP): Nico Siragusa, OG, San Diego State (B+)
Round 4 Pick 4 (CHI): JuJu Smith-Schuster, WR, Southern California (A+)
Round 5 Pick 6 (NYJ): John Johnson, FS, Boston College (A)
Round 6 Pick 26: Storm Norton, OT, Toledo (B)
Round 7 Pick 8: Josh Tupou, DT, Colorado (D+)
I traded down from 26 then I traded up to take the Jets 2nd rd pick. Really like this haul- Addressed 3T, 2x Runstuffer, 1 OLB, 1 OT, 1 OG, OBI 1, a FS abckup, KEVKING, and a possesion WR. Really love this draft.
Ugh… that is really pricey. Though yes, I would love to get both Melifonwu King this draft.
I would consider this draft a major win if we grab King, Melifonwu, Asiata, and a developmental player for both TE and LB.
I would be really worried about sacrificing a potentially better player in next years draft AND a late day 2 pick this year.
I was looking for K’s that were built similar to Haushcka, I mean who knows if the size thing even matters for them, and stumbled on a guy from GA-Tech that’s 6’3, 210 lbs.
Harrison Butker. Former soccer & Ball player, huge kid, loves playing musical instruments like the tuba. Smart too.
Our kind of guy.
I have no idea how we scout K and P
“IF” JS and PC see Obi as Kam’s replacement, then doing a trade this year makes sense…
How about trading this years 3rd COMP and Kam for the number #33 pick… take Obi and King… Clears cap space… Kam gets the karma of playing for Cleveland for being the ONLY hold out…damaging a whole season…
We all Love Kam, but he misses games, and someone has to be ‘flipped over’ cap wise…
King and Obi would make this draft special… #CraZyIdeas
Trading Kam = possible mutiny
Yeah trading Kam would be no go for me too.
I hope they sign him if they can’t and he wants to test the market next year who better for Obi to learn behind this year.
I 100% agree with this. I want us to get Obi, give him a year of education under Professor Bam Bam. I would still try to keep Kam after the year, get Obi as Buffalo starter/ safety backup, but if we don’t keep Kam we will have a trained replacement.
The good news is Kam will be playing for a new contract. The bad news is Rashad Jones just inked a 5yr 55mil w/35mil in guarantees.
I personally would like to see more speed in our backfield. Do we get a comp pick if he leaves next yr
He might be a guy in the 6th or 7th….because Zane Gonzalez gon’ be gone. I don’t care how many simulated mocks we run that have him there in the 7th.
Got to get Mathis in there somewhere.
Awesome Article Rob the Hawks LB selection process has always been a bit of a puzzle for me. When they were linked to Ragland last year I thought it was just a smoke screen. The agility angle makes a ton of sense.
You know the OL market has gone completely nuts when Mike Remmers get 5 yrs /30 mil from the Vikings. Wow
Haha wow, that is silly!
That’s crazy.
So many teams desperate for O-line help.
@Schultz_Report
TJ Lang update: Per source, his flight is delayed and #seahawks simply waiting now until he arrives. He was supposed to get in 11am PT.
12:55 PM – 10 Mar 2017
Should we send Jimmy to pick him up?
Haha that would be awesome
Kony Ealy to NE? That’s a good move for them.
And they didn’t give up a pick for him (just got a worse pick, which is still a good pick).
Was thinking about a way to acquire Sheldon Richardson without actually giving anything up to get him. He’s got one year left on his deal and a (talented) clown like him sure could use a carrot… like being in a contract year.
Maybe the Seahawks could give up their first round pick to the Jets and get the Jets’ second round pick in return (like the way the Patriots just ripped off the Jags). The Jets would be getting “value” and the Seahawks would get a player who will only cost $8 million this year – which is cheap in this new emerging market. Richardson will make more of an impact than our #26. Instead of getting a player at #26, we’d still get an early second rounder, who could still turn into King, Obi, or another like Baker.
*the way the Pats ripped off the Panthers (not Jags)
Kenny’s guy, Oklahoma LB Jordan Evans went HAM at his pro day. He’s gonna be a steal in rounds 6-7 or as an UDFA. Could a Malcolm Smith or Mike Morgan like selection.
6’3, 232 lbs.- 4.50-4.51 40, 4.27 SS, 7.00 3C, 19 reps on the BP.
38.5″ vert, 9’11” broad jump
Talk he could go in the R5 range.
That sounds about right. He’s from Norman, Oklahoma former 3 star recruit so it makes sense he’s under the radar
Watch him play the ball carrier against Auburn.
Beautiful speed and recognition.
Not sure why he wasnt invited to the combine.
He could play SAM for us
Excellent coverage LB as well.
Possibility for seahawks in third? People thought we overdrafted wagner…
More shocking things have happened, but I can’t see him as a 3rd rounder.
He’s not the most physical guy is he?
Here’s a TEF-qualifying Center from Auburn:
Xavier Dampeer (6026, 308)
3.05 TEF
93.84 wTEF
29 VJ
9 BJ
30 Bench
http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/index.ssf/2017/03/how_auburn_players_tested_at_t.html
@AdamSchefter
Former Patriots TE Martellus Bennett is signing with the Packers, per source.
3:25 PM – 10 Mar 2017
Crud…
Honestly, while this is a good signing—seems like an odd year to spend a lot of cash on TE.
Assuming they spent a lot of cash. Shoot, they probably did.
Yeah, I’m assuming at this point in time. We’ll see…
I was really hoping for the Bennett Bros. Show somehow here in Seattle…..
+1 🙁
Good stuff from one of my faves Colorado St LB Jimmie Gilbert at pro day:
But some players truly needed the spotlight that Wednesday’s workout brought — perhaps none more than outside linebacker Jimmie Gilbert.
With 11 sacks last year, Gilbert ranked 15th in the nation and second in the Pac-12 in that category, and only two players in FCS accounted for more yards lost via sacks than Gilbert, whose takedowns led to 106 yards in losses for opposing quarterbacks.
But Gilbert doesn’t fit the traditional size of an edge rusher; he played last season at around 215 pounds. His season did enough to earn him an invitation to January’s East-West Shrine Game in St. Petersburg, Fla., but he was not among the 330 players invited to last week’s Scouting Combine.
Gilbert had a strong day, posting a 37-inch vertical jump, a 10-foot broad jump and a 40-yard dash that was timed at 4.64 seconds.
“I could have done better — and I should have,” Gilbert said.
But the biggest thing he did was show that he could maintain his speed with added bulk; at 234 pounds, he’s nearly 20 pounds heavier than he was last season.
“I just wanted to show that I can put on the weight, and hopefully [teams] take that into consideration,” Gilbert said. “Before draft day, my goal is to be 240 [to] 245 [pounds].”
Gilbert put up those numbers after tweaking his hamstring during the 40 yard dash, according to Tony Pauline and others. He then further injured it trying to run the short shuttle. The #’s he put up at less than 100% are very impressive. It’s nice to see that athleticism after he’s put on some weight as well.
It’s a crime that he didn’t get a combine invite, especially with the poor off-LOS class this year. Gilbert’s a poor-man’s Haason Reddick at a fraction of the price.
Check out Jordan Evans from Oklahoma.
He smashes those numbers. And can actually carry the weight.
Yeah Evans’ numbers were impressive, though I think Gilbert would have bettered them if not hindered with his hamstring. They were very close as is.
Gilbert is more intriguing to me as an edge rusher who could potentially play SAM as well. All I know about Evans was that he was a strong coverage LB for Oklahoma, and that he’s been stamped with 5th-6th round grades by scouts after his pro day.
But if you run yourself into an injury after playing 20 lbs lighter….
Then run again. You’re probably trying too hard to prove yourself.
Sounds like a one trick pony that’s trying desperately to continue it at the next level. Instead of improving his game and proving to teams he can cover.
Kenny Sloth/Volume 12: Two people that no one is talking about are Takkrist McKinley and T.J. Watt. You guys have any thoughts on those players.
I feel like we’ve (as a community) have talked about both in detail. Maybe not so much Watt.
Like both. Would love Takk, but have a feeling he goes in the mid 1st. Possibly a team like Baltimore or Indy?
Watt is intriguing for sure. Could see Seattle taking a liking to him. Better athlete than the tape shows, tough, physical, high revving motor. But could also see a lot of 3-4 teams targeting him as well. IMO he’d be a great pick in the 2nd round, but will he last until then?
Volume 12: If Reddick(Rob Rang projected Reddick to go number in his latest mock draft) Bolles, Ramczyk are off the board. But McKinley/Obi/Kenny King are all stilling there at 26 who do you take. BTW: The more I read about T.J. Watt the more I picture Clay Matthews.
It swould be King or Obi for me. And I’m leaning toward Obi. Just too unique with a great work ethic and good head on his shoulders.
Takk would excel in a 3-4 maybe not versatile enough to be considered by us at this point.
I agree we haven’t talked about Watt enough here, though.
I personally haven’t watched him since the beginning of the year
Whoa, this guy jumped 34in @321lbs!
Colorado St. OT Nick Callender (6-5, 321)
2.89 TEF
92.87 wTEF
34 vert
8’10” broad
23 bench
https://twitter.com/CSUFootball/status/839503432331497475
Anyone else see a resemblance between Blair Walsh and David Tennant ( Former “The Doctor”) From Doctor Who?
Go Doctor
Go Hawks
Which # was David Tennant?
He was the skinny messed up hair Scottish or Welsh one. #2 in the rebooted new series.
I can see it!
Right On, David Tennant is definitely my favourite “The Doctor” ever, maybe Blair Walsh is a very Clever kicker. Plus if he misses a field goal or extra point. He’ll just get in the Tardis and retry.Ha ha
Go Hawks
David Tennant in the Netflix Marvel series Jessica Jones was absolutely fantastic. One of the best superhero villain portrayals ever.
Cool, I’ll check that out. Hopefully Blair Walsh will be the ultimate villain to the rest of the NFL!
Go MF Hawks
C-Dog, looks like Cornelius Washington signed w/ Detroit.
And Akeem Spence. Beefing up both lines in free agency.
I saw that yesterday. I think the Lions might be getting a nice player on the rise.
Stephen Paea to the Cowboys.
Lawrence Guy, and Zach Kerr are still out there. Two bigger guys who can offer some inside rush and play the run. I’d love to see Seattle court either one of these guys.
Sounds like Dontari Poe isn’t finding the market he wants. 350 lbs with back concerns might force him to sign a prove it deal.
Also, things are surprisingly quite for Bennie Logan.
A potential Justin Britt contract extension this off-season could look very similar to what J.C. Tretter received from the Browns yesterday: 3 years, $16.75 million, $10 million guaranteed. Like Britt, he took a few years to become the starting C with Green Bay, before blossoming last season. I’d be pleased if the Hawks could work out something along the same lines with Britt. The final year to come on his rookie contract gives the team some extra leverage.
Hey, best case scenario, signing TJ Lang leaves us about 10 million in useable cap space, accounting for Draft Picks’ contracts.
And that’s an extremely favorable projection.
More realistically we would have only 5-7 million
After reading some comments on Obi being “soft” I watched some highlights. His tackling looked sure and confident if not more of a wrap up style as opposed to the heat seeking missiles that Kam and Earl are.
Yep. Misfounded complaints.
He has potential and upside in this area.
Probably the most in the class
Question is do would the Seahawks want that? Do they want tempo setting tooth rattling “dogs”?
I Love the way you think Kenny, very clever you are!
Go Kenny
from my understanding most of his negatives are from a game his team was getting blown out by 48 points- Concerning but understandable.
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Man, this offensive tackle market was crazy. #Vikings signed LT Riley Reiff to a 5-year deal worth $58.75M. $26.3M guaranteed.
4:23 PM – 10 Mar 2017
Joeckel on a one year prove it deal looking nice, like spring which is on it’s way!
Go Spring
Go Hawks
…and either Luke plays well and we consider paying him, or he goes back into FA and we get a nice COMP pick…
1 year deals and the Compensatory system are going to be a HUGE ‘tool’ over the next so many years by smart GM’s…
Look at Alshon Jeffrey… $9.5 mill, injury and suspension issues, great player on the field…so either you SCORE and land a WR1, or next year someone else pays the long term $$$$, and Philly gets a COMP pick…
I like this for the league…teams can ‘risk it’, yet have a back up to protect them…if used wisely…
Great observation Hawks22Fun.
Go Fun time’s
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@AlbertBreer: Vikings’ investment in OL is off the charts. Riley Reiff gets $58.75M over 5 with $26.3M fully guaranteed. Mike Remmers gets $30M over 5.
Cooks to NE.
I just saw that, and they didn’t throw in Malcolm Butler in the trade
1st round and a 3rd round pick for Cooks, NE also gets a 4th round
seems like a lot to give up for 2 years of Cooks before you have to pay him big (or Biggly, as they say now)
or maybe BB does not believe TB12 can outrun Father Time and play till 45 and he is loading up for next 2 years.
(although I believe TB12’s friend and trainer does have magic potion to help him play longer…)
I heard about this trade and saw a few NE fans telling everyone else to just give up.
Funny thing about winning the off season, it rarely works out. And for all the genius that is BB and TB12 (and I think they are the best), they have 2 SB wins in the last 11 years.
You have to be very good, lucky and hungry and hope other teams are not to win the SB back to back.
And every team they play this year will give them something extra, a mix of respect and hatred. Same as Seattle got for last few years.
That being said, I think Cooks is perfect for NE. Scary in their hands
“…for all the genius that is BB and TB12 (and I think they are the best), they have 2 SB wins in the last 11 years.”
They also have 2 SB wins in the last 3 years & 5 SB wins in the last 16 years. Not too shabby.
After Seattle wins SB LII we can debate who has been the best over the last 6 years.
no denying they are the best organization in the NFL over the last 16 years
but this “unbeatable” rep they have is overblown
even this year, they were good, but there were no great teams this year.
and their last 2 SB wins could have, should have, been losses, but I digress
They should have beat the Giants when they played them in the Superbowl. So maybe it all balances out.
New Orleans is going to be looking for defense at #32 unless a QBOTF drops into their laps.
Getting worried about Lang…
…’delayed flight’…
…no news…
…seems like Danny O’Neil may have been correct. #LeveragePlay
The reason he has to do visits instead of signing is due to a medical issue more than likely. Teams need to see how bad the foot and hip are. So considering he only arrived in Seattle recently, no need to worry (although I think he ends up back in GB personally).
In the “not so old” days during the Holmgren regime it was always the pass rushers that came in to Seattle for a visit and then cashed in their chips elsewhere.
All things being equal I would also bet on a return to GB. If Seattle wants Lang real bad then we will most likely have to buy him.
In relation to what Trevor posted earlier.
Trading our 1st Rounder in 2018 might be a great idea:
Here’s why…
So supposedly the QB draft NEXT year is WAY better…I don’t know.
But the league seems to have teams willing to kick the can on QB a year for the draft. These teams are looking to SCORE a franchise QB next year…some at least…
The best way to trade up in Round 1, have TWO R1 picks!!!
If any of these teams to be mentioned lose like we expect, they would have a high R1 pick and Seattles hopefully #32!!! (HAH)
Jets – Trevor suggested, complete rebuild in a tough division. No QB…
Cleveland seems primed to go after Jimmy G, Deshaun Watson, or even Trubisky this year….or maybe they hedge until next year… they own a literal ‘boat-load’ of picks, and seem very trade friendly…
Texans – Do they sign Romo? Even if they do, they need a QB in 1-3 years to be ready… Mahommes at #25? Maybe… if Romo, doubt it…
Chicago – Maybe Gleennon blossoms? Probably not…
Honorable mentions: San Fran(Cousins-Train 2018), Arizona? Rams(hah)? (Don’t see us trading in division)
It would only take one of these teams to bite on our R1 for 2018.
If it took a R3 COMP this year, and R1 2018, wouldn’t you do that for Obi and King???
We would still have 2 – 3’s…a 6 and 7…
…and the DC team that is dysfunctional will need a QB too when Cousins goes to SF…
+1
sad when your team is such a dumpster fire that SF looks good
That made me really laugh Kenny… oh dear…snyder to york…
like going from puke to dog food…
#giveUSaFranchise!!!
: )
I am not a big fan in general of trading a future #1for a #2 this year. You lose the 5th year option on the #1 and you run the risk that if the team’s performance is below what you expect, you end up way overpaying. For example, suppose Russell gets hurt and Seattle finishes 6-10 and next year’s first is 10th overall.
On the plus side, you get the player this year. Do we need both King and Obi this year? We need a starting CB for sure. And Obi is a very tempting athlete at safety. Will there be someone like him or King next year? Maybe.
I am very open to the idea of using some draft capital (this year or next) to move up in round 2 to get either King or Obi or even Watt if they slip into the 2nd like Seattle did for Jarran Reed last year. But, I don’t like the idea of giving up a 1st. How would we be evaluating the deal today if Seattle had traded this year’s 1st to get Reed in the 2nd when he slipped last year? I think we would all agree that would have been an overpay and we would be regretting all the great options at 26 this year that we wouldn’t be able to consider.
I would not trade next year’s #1. There should be a strong DE class next and we may need one. Good RB class at the top too.
Next year
I would be more receptive to dealing a player like Jimmy Graham or PRich to move up in this years draft. I don’t believe mortgaging the future is a sound strategy. Too much can go wrong between now and then. We may be the one’s in the QB market in 2018.
I think the love affair with Obi is way overblown. There are several big safety candidates in this years draft pool. Having multiple picks in this rich draft is a better strategy than betting big on one guy. If you believe Obi is going to be off the board then you need to scout out someone else.
Would anyone here straight trade Kam for #33 to the Browns?
That would be King at #26, hopefully, then either Obi to replace Kam, or Watt for LB…
Seems telling they haven’t spoken of extending Kam. Love him, except for the stupid holdout, but someone will have to be sacrificed the next year or so…
No.
And I believe Schneider talked about extending Kam at the combine and keeping him as a core player.
All thisl talk about letting Kam walk next year seems almost silly, to me. One of a very small list of players who makes this team special and will be tough to replace for a variety of reasons.
No to trading Kam
Worst case scenario they can’t sign him and Obi has him to learn behind all year.
Not saying I would trade Kam, but it seems to spark quite a conversation…
Do we trust his health enough to ‘extend him’?
Kam wants to get to FA to see his value. I bet we already offered him an extension because it could free cap space.
First, everyone needs to stop with the trade Kam/trade Himmy stuff, we don’t get better by trading great players.
Second, Kam is not worth a 1st round pick to a trading team like the Browns who need to grow their own young stars.
*jimmy
I agree Hawk22 and you laid things out much more clearly thanks!
I’ve just updated the post.
A year ago the Seahawks were reportedly showing interest in Denver RFA linebacker Brandon Marshall (per Troy Renck).
Marshall ran a 4.81 at the 2012 combine… and a 4.09 short shuttle.
#evidence
I was actually going to raise Brandon Marshall as a conversation point yesterday. Marshall had a second rounder tender, if I recall correctly, so they adds a little bit of credence to how much PC/JS wanted that complementary backer to Wagner and Wright.
Damn the Pat’s are cheap, but it seems to work for them. Where is all their money being spent besides Tom”The fastest forty ever, besides John Ross) Brady? I really want to extend “The Chancellor” though how Belickik does business is very telling. We obviously know Bill knows what he’s doing.
Getting Cooks on the last year of his rookie contact with a right to give him a 5th year option for relatively cheap comparibly is obviously why they made the trade. Plus they seem uninclined to give Malcom “Damn You” Butler an extension? What is their formula, Let’s work on that one.
Go Hawks
F the Pat’s
They are the most moneyball team around
Trading away decent players for very little.
Who do they even resign? TB and Gronk? Maybe an OL?
I know Kenny! The Patriots are so frustrating. This is what NBA teams in the 60’s felt about “Red Arobaugh” and the Celtics pronounced Seltics. I actually sold Lottery tickets to Bill Russell before. I wanted to tell him, “I believe you have already one the Lottery of life” good flipping luck you wealthy man! True story.
I also sold Senica Wallace doritos nacho Cheese variety at the same gas station on Mercer Island 9 years ago. It was the day after his last game with us after the “09” or “10 season. I was like “Are you?” He’s like yeah man I’m Senica. I then proceeded to tell him “Man I wish they played you more” he replied with “Man I wish they played me more to” Then tried to get him to buy all natural chips like Kettle chips or something else. He then told me ” Ya can’t go wrong with Doritos dawg” that actually happened to me. Then he went to the Browns, the end.
That’s some funny sh!t HiH
Haha that’s hilarious.
“The end” lmaao
Love these kinds of stories
Oh you caught that Kenny! I knew you would my fellow Hawk!
I know I can be very outlandish and esentric and silly. The truth is I only post on here when I’m drinking. I know for some of you I seem pathetic for that. The truth is Tomorrow I’m going to rehab for the first time in my Life. I’m a straight up drunk and I’m sick of being this way. This is the only blog I have ever partook in. I Love my team “The Seahawks” they give me something to Cheer for. My Grandpa was very into our Hawks and the Mariners, I guess that’s why I got into it myself. This blog has not only been informative but also fun for me sometimes. I know I say silly things sometimes. For some of you, you probably quever when you see that I’ve made a comment. I still Love you all, and I’m working on Loving myself
Hey man I never thought anything negative about ya.
Takes a lot of courage to change your life like that.
You’ll get nothing but love from me man…
Are you gonna be on the computer at your center xD? 😉
Cuz this place wouldn’t really be the same without you.
Thanks Kenny Love you my fellow Hawks brother. No phone, no internet. Unfortunately I can’t even bring my guitar, hopefully they’ll have a piano and I plan on reading the novel “Under the Skin. You rule Ken Dawg, I mean Jen Duck. See I care, I remember !
Jen Duck was me phone’s damn fault. I meant Ken Duck because I know you Love the University of Oregon. You’re one of my favs brother man!
Go Life
Go Hawks
Go Cragie
Can’t be easy. Good luck
No judgements man. Takes a strong person to admit their faults and have the willpower to do something about it. Best of luck and we’re all rooting for you.
Won not one, I caught it damn my spelling choices. How can I ever compete with Rob ” Perfect English” Staton. I have let you all down again and feel ashamed.
Go self worth!
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Take a lap!
Yes Sir Overtime, anything else Sir?
Feel free to mock me . . . Big boards still aren’t where they should be, but for now it’s kind of like candy. At least it makes me feel good for the moment.
26: R1P26
EDGE HAASON REDDICK
TEMPLE
63: R2P31
CB KEVIN KING
WASHINGTON
79: R3P15
CB GAREON CONLEY
OHIO STATE
102: R3P38
S JUSTIN EVANS
TEXAS A&M
106: R3P42
WR TAYWAN TAYLOR
WESTERN KENTUCKY
134: R4P27
RB SAMAJE PERINE
OKLAHOMA
210: R6P26
S TEDRIC THOMPSON
COLORADO
226: R7P8
CB TRESTON DECOUD
Would probably have taken Luani instead of Tedrick if his name was listed. Pretty lame not to even make the list of options.
That draft would straight Rule! Hawktalker #1
I’d take Marcus Williams over Evans. I like the rest of it.
Kept Hightower. Kept Alan Branch. Kept Butler. Replaced losing Ryan with signing Stephon Gilmore. Traded for Ealy. Traded for Cooks. Lost Bennett but replace him with Gronk and Allen.
What a hell of an off-season NE is having. When a team wants to stay aggressive in the off-season and not take their foot off the gas, that’s how you do it.
It’s pretty impressive to watch.
They had a ton of cap space.
I haven’t heard that Hightower reupped with the Pats. When did that happen?
The scary thing about it?
NE still has Jimmy G as a bargaining chip.
They’re going to get a random from the Browns for Jimmy G. Maybe two 2nd rd picks in ’17 and ’18? Or maybe two 2’s in ’17 and a 1 in ’18?
Plus I am not completely sold that they are not going to trade Gronk or Butler.
Imagine if they get high picks for Jimmy G, Gronk and Butler and a high comp pick for Hightower
*ransom
I think he stays.
I don’t know that anyone would ever offer that.
I think it’s his last year in NE regardless
I don’t think the browns look like they plan on throwing away two second round picks on Brian Hoyer. I think teams are probably less interested than New England had hoped and are considering that other than Brady New Englands back up QB trades have been nothing but a mess for the teams receiving the QB.
Lost Bennett Sheard and Ryan, but added Allen Cooks Ealy and Gilmore. That’s insane.
New England should just cancel the ‘running game’. Edleman, Cooks, Gronk, and pass-catching backs should be plenty.
Dwayne Allen, Malcolm Mitchell, and a draft pick at a skill position? I smell a repeat.
Going back to back- Drake 🎵
Could see it. Doesn’t hurt that the rest of their division is lost!
Man, Baker Mayfield’s apology is word for word the same as Joe Mixon maaaaan….
Crime a little different though
Same school……………..
Not saying, just saying.
Seattle signs TJ Lang to a significant contract, and they use the remaining funds to add Latavius Murray to a multi year contract. Jason La Canfora’s report was spot in terms of the team going aggressively at OL and RB. However, with Joeckel, these signings leave them with little left to play with in FA.
They use FA to fix the offense and then use the draft to build depth back up on the defense.
26: R1P26
CB KEVIN KING
WASHINGTON
58: R2P26
DL DALVIN TOMLINSON
ALABAMA
90: R3P26
S JOSH JONES
NC STATE
102: R3P38
LB ALEX ANZALONE
FLORIDA
106: R3P42
CB MARQUEZ WHITE
FLORIDA STATE
210: R6P26
LB JORDAN EVANS
OKLAHOMA
226: R7P8
TE DARRELL DANIELS
WASHINGTON
King is the no brainer pick. Tomlinson joins his college buddy Jarran Reed on the DL as Rubin’s eventual replacement (Seattle has been scouting DT’s fairly heavily, and they had Clint Hurtt working with the DLiners during Alabama’s pro day). They get a big athletic safety in Jones, an agile LB in Anzalone, add another corner in White, another LB in Jordan Evans, and they draft TE Darrell Daniels out of Washington to replace Luke Willson.
Go Hawks.
I love doing the fanspeak.com mocks, but they are usually far to generous with the available talent by round.
Yeah, I think the site purposefully have bigger names slide. When I use it, I try to keep my selections within the realms of reality, but also occasionally like to project some slides. During this one, Jonathan Allen was available at 26 and I almost took him.
Brock Coyle to the 49ers
They’re gonna rum a defense very similar to ours.
Watch for them to try and build an LOB. Jon Lynch LOVES Seattle’s secondary. And I for one am going to miss him on fox to give me a break from Aikman and Joe Buck.
Any news on TJ Lang?
I guess we can forget about Lang now?
With the numbers oline men have been getting. It was probably just a pipe dream anyway.
What makes you say that?
I think the back up plan is Brian Schwenke
I want to wake up tomorrow tomorrow to a Rotoworld blurb that says “Seahawks sign TJ Lang to team-friendly deal”.
In a few weeks I want to see Kevin King or Hassan Reddick and Joe Mixon or Dalvin Cook on our roster somehow. 🙂
/sweet dreams
Please no Dalvin Cook
Like the worst dudes in the draft lmao
Why would you want those dudes here? Are you a bail bondsman?
Someone asked me a couple days ago who was at Alabama St that Seattle might be looking at? It was DT Rod Henderson- 6’0, 334 lbs.- 5.22 40, 28″ vert, 26 reps on the BP, 8’1″ broad jump, 1.79 10, 4.82 SS
Pauline said Seattle and the Jets were on hand to see him and he ‘looked exceptional during drills, displaying great quickness and solid movement skills.’
We will bring in a few UDFA dts for sure.
Agreed.
Again, looking at another big bodied DT. I wonder if they see Jarran as a nose or under tackle.
That’s the 1st thought that popped into my head too. Another huge DT.
Good question regarding Reed. He’s so similar to Athyba Rubin skill set wise. He can push the pocket a little better and obviously has more upside.
John Jenkins, Stevie T, Josh Tupou, now this guy.
Size is the theme for sure.
Yeah, I know a lot of fans were down on him this past season as a rusher, but I saw more get up field flashes than I thought we’d see. For all the run topping accolades, his body type might make him better served one gapping in the pros. Clint Hurtt could have been brought in specifically to develop him and Q Jeff in terms of inside rush. They might simply be looking for a big powerful nose.
Pats trade away R1 pick in super loaded draft. I smell a Garoppolo trade coming… all the rumors that the Pats “won’t even consider it”, etc. are just to drive the asking price up IMO.
Last year of his deal, lowers his value yeah?
NE might get a better comp pick than if they trade him
Cracking Seattle’s LB code, 2.0:
You must run a fast shuttle and your first name must start with “K”, “B”, or “M”:
K.J.
Kevin
Korey
Kache
Bobby
Bruce
Brock
Mike
Malcolm
Everybody knows that’s the true reason they passed on Reggie Ragland and explains why Jordan Tripp and Eric Pinkins never panned out. They also showed serious interest in Kyler Fackrell; now we know why…
Current LB projects Dewey McDonald and Ronald Powell were doomed to fail from the get-go and in reality were brought on only to serve as smoke screens so other teams do not catch on to Seattle’s draft strategy.
Exhaustive research (i.e. not the first Google result…) reveals that the reason behind this is strictly analytics-based:
KBM Group
/www.kbmg.com/
“KBM Group transforms marketing efforts into mutually beneficial customer conversations through data-driven insights to optimize business outcomes.”
I guess that narrows it down to Ben Gedeon, Blair Brown, and Brooks Ellis.
With just one wildcard, because we all know how much they like “roster mirroring”:
K.J. Wright
T.J. Watt
Reuben Foster, Haasan Reddick, and Jarrad Davis are off Seattle’s board even if they do fall to #26. Can’t argue with hard data…
You heard it here first.
Have you considered seeing a doctor? j/k
LMAO
Could we be in the market for Kendell Beckwith? Both a K and a B.
Alex Boone – 4 yrs 26.8mil 10 gtd
Mike Remmers – 5 yrs 30 mil
Riley Reiff – 5 yrs 58.75 mil 26.3 gtd
That is what the Vikings paid the past 2 years.
I know people want to spend money on the line but it has to be the right guys or else you are stuck overpaying for guys like the Vikings
Don’t forget the Vikings signed Andre Smith last year for $3.5 million, too.
Really think the link is actually the instincts these guys have, something Pete has said he wants in his MLB especially.
“The Mike linebacker is a traditional middle linebacker. He is instinctive and makes a lot of calls for the defense. He may be the guy with the most experience or the best feel for the game.”
http://www.fieldgulls.com/2011/7/12/2266929/seahawks-4-3-pete-carroll-tatupu-hawthore-aaron-curry
Jordan Tripp was also a great athlete with a 10ft broad and a 134pSparq and compared quite well to Malcolm Smith athletically. They also looked at him along with Brock Coyle before the 2014
Totally agree on the instincts part to go along with the athletic abililty. That’s one of the reasons I like Jarrad Davis so much, cause he has that ability to instantly diagnose and react to the play.
That’s how I feel about Cunningham, after watching some of his tape. He’s always near the action, and making plays.
I know this is some low level stuff to be commenting on, but while were kicked back and waiting for more significant moves to shake out, anyone have any observations to put forward on the number of last years depth/role players not being tendered and those who have signed elsewhere. Im not suggesting that it is in any way an inordinate #, and it does seem to lean heavily towards the defensive depth/special teams types.
Makes good sênse, I suppose, that in a draft year like this one we would see a lot of fresh faces at that end of the roster. Also was wondering about the lack of details/confirmation on the Joeckle deal, and musing about whether the lag could be linked to ônging negotiations with Lang? Prollly not though.
My only observation is that it may give us a clue as to how the front office currently ranks our depth/development players.
For example, not tendering Seisay or Stanley Jean-Baptiste tells me that they probably like Pierre Desir and DeAndre Elliot better moving forward (besides the strong possiblity of a draft pick).
They players they really like, they usually take care to stash on the roster so that they do not hit the market.
Of course, they could just feel pretty sure that no other teams will have real interest in some of those players and that they will be able to re-sign them anyway.
Good point-likely that some of them find their way back onto the roster, whether sooner or later.
It makes me believe our development players are not developing. When there is an opening for a starter at WILL and you release Morgan and Coyle or you have an opening at CB2 and you cut Stanley Jean-Baptist you tend to believe maybe we are not ‘coaching them up” as well as we thought.
OR… that LB Kache Palacio/Dewey McDonald, CB Pierre Desir/DeAndre Elliot beat them out. Plus, they may be set up for some high draft picks at those positions.
Gotta take lots of swings and misses to find the hits. Not every project is going to work out.
New Obi highlights up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBByDRif7UE
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Source: JJ Wilcox to #Bucs. Former #Cowboys safety on the move
7:20 AM – 11 Mar 2017
@MikeGarafolo
Done deal for S JJ Wilcox in Tampa, as @BigDogwdae reported. Source says it’s a 2-year deal worth up to $8.5m.
7:20 AM – 11 Mar 2017
The Bucs needed a starter. It was interesting that Seattle was set to bring him in though.
Kinda hoping we bring back McCray and Thorpe before other clubs get to sniffing around thêre. But hey! I know the potential is thêre for Obi to land with us. Nice call on that highlights link, Sea Mode! Really got me going again! That size (rendered in the Homer Simpson-mmm-Donuts voice) and athleticism! Or Luani. And god knows how many potential finds in the ranks of the UDFAs-Schneiders version of At Play In The Fields Of The Lord.
@TheCowboysWire
Shopping Spree still going, Cowboys add DE Damontre Moore
5:00 PM – 10 Mar 2017
I didn’t realize he was a FA. I had him as possible trade bait.
JAX sign Abouye (5yrs/$67.5M)
Dang if they aren’t trying to make it happen. Their defense is looking pretty good (on paper at least).
Agreed, although that’s what we were saying last year too IIRC…
I think Coughlin has what it takes to put together a respectable football program. Most interesting will be what they decide to do at QB and #4 pick.
I think they give Bortles one more year (under Coughlin) to see if he has what it takes.
Also frees them up to go another way with the 4th pick. Then again, if Watson or Turbisky is there…
Was looking over the prospects some teams have reportedly met with to see which positions stand out for quantity and in what range (early, mid rounds). Of course, I know teams meet with just about everybody anyway, and this is before the private visits even start, but I thought it was interesting anyway. Then we can see who they meet with again later.
May be useful for future mock drafts to see not only what they need, but what they might be targeting early and what later. If the range (in parenthesis) is not specified, they looked at all ranges for that position.
-49ers: RB [Cook, McCaffrey, Hill], QB
-Bears: QB, WR, [2 workouts for Jonathan Allen]
-Titans: WR [Davis, Williams], DT (early)
-Jets: OT, TE (R2), WR (mid)
-Chargers: DT (early), OT (mid)
-Panthers: CB, WR
-Bengals: WR
-Bills: S (R2)
-Saints: QB (early), DL
-Eagles: CB (early and often), WR, RB, OL [have nearly double the reported meetings of any other team]
-Colts: S (R2)
-Skins: S [Adams, Baker, Hooker, Obi, Peppers], WR (mid)
-Bucs: TE [Engram, Howard, Njoku], RB (mid)
-Broncos: OL (early and often), TE [Engram, Njoku, Everett, Hodges, Njoku], WR (mid)
-Lions: DE (early and often), WR (early), TE (mid)
-Dolphins: DE/DT (early)
-Packers: RB [Cook, A. Jones, J. Williams]
-Giants: OL, TE (early)
-Raiders: RB [Cook, McCaffrey]
-Texans: TE [Engram, Howard, Everett, Sprinkle], S (mid)
-Seahawks: S [Baker, Obi, Luani]
-Chiefs: QB (Watson+mid), RB (mid)
-Cowboys: DE/OLB (early), WR
-Steelers: [TJ Watt]
-Falcons: OLB/ILB (mid)
-Patriots: OLB (R2-3)
-Vikings: RB [Kamara+mid], S (mid)
-Rams: OL (mid), TE [Engram, Howard]
http://walterfootball.com/prospectMeetings/byteam
That’s a good move man.
Can’t ignore it
Slightly off topic but I wonder if SEA would look at Moreau at safety.
His arms are a wee bit under the 32″ cutoff (31 3/8″) but he’s an elite athlete: 4.35 40, 38″ VJ, 11’03” BJ, 4.12 SS, 6.94 3C.
He has really good game film, and I would swear I heard him tell Deon Sanders after his Combine 40 dash that he considers himself a safety.
That’s an interesting thought.
Why not? They want a FS he better be lightning fast. Jalen Myrick too.
Breno Giacomini and D.J. Fluker are still options. Don’t understand why Breno wasn’t more of a option from the jump. I really don’t see TJ Lang coming to Seattle.
I’m hoping for Lang but not expecting it, too. I think Breno is simply too old and injury prone now. Back problems are especially bad. It’s not 2013 anymore, kind of like we found out with Chris Clemons last year. Father time is undefeated in life.
Breno’s had a lot of injury issues, ditto Fluker with concussions.
Damn. I had no idea Breno was having problems with injuries.
@toddarcher
The Cowboys will have another hole to fill. Right tackle Doug Free has informed the team he intends to retire,… http://es.pn/2nqDVKX
10:38 AM – 11 Mar 2017
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The #Patriots are signing former #Ravens DL Lawrence Guy to a 4-year contract worth up to $20M, source said.
11:26 AM – 11 Mar 2017
Damn. That’s one of the DLiners I wanted Seattle to go after. Patriots are seriously killing it, and it’s not even close.
Nope. No one is having the off-season they are. Yes they had a lot of cap space, but they aren’t giving bad deals. And their getting even younger. Wow!
It’s like they are in off-season mode in Madden and the rest of the league is the computer. Really hard to not feel the jealously . Good lordy.
Not jealous by any means. I live by the motto ‘what YOU eat don’t make ME sh*t.’
Admiration would be more like it. A true dynasty.
Excellent words to live by.
Gluten free in NE
Sidney Jones suffered what appears to be significant lower leg injury during the last DB drill of the UW Pro Day today…
Heart dropped when I heard about it. Praying for him and hoping he has a speedy recovery. I know it’s the wrong time but I wonder what that will do to his draft stock.
Not that he was on Seattle’s board at 26, but terrible word coming out of UW’s pro day…
Daniel Jeremiah – @MoveTheSticks
Getting a bunch of texts from scouts at UW & it sounds like Sidney Jones suffered a significant lower leg injury. Feel terrible for him.
Why Did? You didn’t have anything left to prove. You made your money.
*Sid
If achilles or acl, that sucks. Probably falls to 2nd or 3rd now. If so, quality 3rd round for Hawks which could then replace an aging Sherman in 2 years before his next big deal.
1st King
2nd Bowser/Anzalone
3rd Jones
3rd Luani
3rd Hodges
If Jones is still on the board in the second you take him no doubt, he’d probably be able to play come playoff time
The only good news so far is he doesn’t have an air cast on while riding the meat wagon. If that was the case it would for sure be a serious broken bone or significantly torn ligament. Still doesn’t rule that out, but there’s hope. Prayers for Sidney!
https://mobile.twitter.com/scohenPI/status/840655632340475904
That’s too bad. Good speed.
*God speed
This auto correct is killing me.
Who is this Volute12 guy and what did he do to Volume12?
HAHA!
I didn’t even notice that thanks for the heads up.
I hate to do it… but would you spend on 3rd round pick on Sidney even with a possible ligament injury?
Tendon injury, and yes, I would spend a 3rd round draft choice on Sidney Jones.
Yes! no hesitation
Massive bummer news. He will play on Sundays, but that pro day probably just cost him significant $.
Another factor to consider is that this injury is probably going to push Kevin King further up the boards.
Seattle times is reporting it is some type of Achilles injury. 😱
Dang it! Didn’t consider that. With that said, it seems like many mock drafts out there are still having the Hawks take either Bolles, Ryamcyk, or Lamp. The ones I’ve seen that have us taking a defensive player are few and far between, with only a couple even mentioning the likes of Reddick, King, or Obi. Laughably, a couple still want us to take Robinson at 26. I liked him initially, but since his mediocre combine he’s not even on my list anymore. Still think we should go DB with our first pick, but you’re right about King. He could go in the low 20s now.
Yeah, I think many of those mocks are slow to push Bolles up their boards. I don’t see how he’s not going to end up top 15, and I think the chances are slim Ryamcyk and Lamp will be available as well. Just my opinion, but my hunch is that Seattle is prepared to make every effort to sign TJ Lang so that they can focus their draft towards the defense.
Most have us taking Robinson before FA it seems
As in Nate Robinson?
No, unfortunately they are projecting is to take Cam Robinson
Outside of the SDB community, I’m mostly seeing King being mocked after 50. Drafttek.com has him in the 80’s and the Walterfootball.com has him going in the 4th! Not that I believe he will last that long, but the depth at CB this year could keep him out of the 1st.
An Achilles tendon rupture requires surgery and usually takes 6-9 months to heal. The prognosis is better than a knee injury, however. He will most likely miss the 2017 season. This probably costs him one round of draft position. Sidney can be drafted and placed on the NFI list. He could receive some NFL pay without accruing a year of service.
Achilles problems can be ferocious
Achilles! Tough break for him. Some team willing to effectively redshirt him a year is going to get an absolute steal. I don’t think Sidney has a track record of lower extremity injuries, so I don’t think he will be hampered long term in the NFL.
Sidney Jones injured at his pro day… described as ‘significant’
Awful for the guy buttttttt that puts him in range right?
Torn ACL.I think he’ll get taken in the 3rd and IR’d right away
*Achilles
Eish. I’d honestly be way more wary of a torn achilles than an ACL these days.
They can cause major problems. Third sounds about right to me, maybe the bottom of the second.
The Achilles is scary. Hopefully he bounces back strong.
Paul Richardson is an example of multiple ACL tears and he’s recovered. I wish Jones the best and a speedy recovery. Kid is very talented and my thoughts/prayers are with him.
Pauline noted that their was a big contingent of mucky mucks from the Titans front office at the Husky Pro day. Am I the only one who thinks they might be seriously looking to pair Mariota up with John Ross?
They’ve been spending pretty significantly on their secondary.
They tried for Cooks early, maybe after Ross 40 they decided they would settle for that.
CB & WR is what I think Tennessee will do in the 1st. If they can’t sign TE Jared Cooks, OJ Howard could be a real possibility as well.
Lattimore & Ross?
Lattimore & Mike Williams?
Lattimore & OJ?
Or do they go for Malik Hooker and pair him with newly acquired Jonathan Cyprien, who is one of the most underrated signings this off-season.
The Huddle Report has them taking Lattimore & Njoku.
Draftwire has them taking Corey Davis & Budda Baker.
FWIW Draftwire also has Obi going to TBB at 19 (and SEA taking Robinson at 26).
this is a very deep draft if we can land lang, the offensive line is dealt with. i think obi is a monster and i think we see one of the big four running veterans signing at a discount for a ring. if that happens we will trade down to build depth
Sidney Jones
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/source-washington-cb-sidney-jones-suffered-torn-achilles-at-pro-day-213915219.html
Pauline on Sidney Jones pre injury:
“New York Jets fans should keep an eye on junior Sidney Jones as I’m told the team is high on the cornerback and are bringing him in for an official visit prior to the draft.
Jones presently grades as our the top cornerback on our board.”
With today’s injury news the Jets might take him in R2 and redshirt him.
I wouldnt rule out the Cowboys either, theyve shown the dont mind demonstrating patients. Its smart if you have the time to do so, constantly stock pile quality players that are available fall.
GB going 2 TEs as well with Marcellus Bennett and Lance Kendricks.
I suspect most of us have a hunch that Seattle will do the same in the draft.
Bennett is a good get for GB. Another capable target for Rodgers, especially in the redzone.
I’m a bit meh about Kendricks though.