
Quinn Ewers — there’s something there
Let’s imagine a scenario where Leonard Williams plays really well for the Seahawks this year and they find a way to retain him beyond 2023.
As noted in my article yesterday, this will be a difficult challenge. I think there’s a lot of useful information in that piece so if you missed it, check it out.
Back to the scenario. Williams signs. They either retain or adequately replace their other key free agents, such as Bobby Wagner, Jordyn Brooks, Noah Fant and Damien Lewis.
At this point, the Seahawks wouldn’t have any significant needs. Not a glaring one, anyway.
Theoretically, it could set the Seahawks up perfectly to draft a quarterback early.
This wouldn’t necessarily have to be to start right away. If Geno Smith improves his performance in the second half of the season, there’s no reason why he shouldn’t remain the starter in 2024. If he can lead the team to a good playoff run there’d be little sense in parting.
He does need to improve, however. He has only nine touchdowns and six interceptions in seven games. His quarterback rating of 91.1 ranks only 15th.
He has 11 turnover worthy plays so far this year — eighth most. The players in front of Smith in that category are Mac Jones (17), Gardner Minshew (16), Desmond Ridder (16), Brock Purdy (14), Sam Howell (14), Joshua Dobbs (13) and Patrick Mahomes (12).
It’s strange to see Mahomes in that company and it may be tempting to qualify Smith’s numbers by his presence on the list. However, he’s also a multi-MVP winning double-Super Bowl Champion who we know will bounce back from a rough start to the season, where he’s had challenging games against the Jets (three TWP’s) and Broncos (four TWP’s in two games).
Mahomes aside, this is not good company for Smith to be keeping and speaks to an issue that lingers with Geno. Last year he ranked second in the NFL with 31 TWP’s and he’s already creeping back up towards the top of the list in 2023.
He’s currently projected to finish the season with 22 touchdowns and 15 picks. If that remains, along with a growing number of TWP’s, it won’t be good enough.
Whether he improves or not — drafting a quarterback feels right in 2024. You either bring someone in to compete, essentially the model Seattle chose in 2012 sparking an eventual Super Bowl run a year later, or you bring someone in to redshirt and be the backup. That would also be welcome, given Drew Lock’s $4m salary might not be justifiable next year if he’s only the backup and with money very tight.
Not having a second round pick makes things harder but there’s no reason why the Seahawks can’t still draft a quarterback within the first three rounds.
The players who won’t be available
Despite some recent USC struggles, Caleb Williams is a lock to be the first player taken. He’s the complete package for a modern day quarterback — physical brilliance, outstanding elusiveness, he has the ability to extend plays, he can throw downfield (and to all areas) with accuracy and he has an opportunity to quickly establish himself as one of the best players in the league.
I do not see Drake Maye as a challenger to Williams to go first overall. He is well sized, athletic and has a good arm. He takes risks and that has led to issues. He’s had some poor games this year with bad picks against Minnesota and South Carolina and he’s been part of a North Carolina team that has surprisingly lost back-to-back games against Virginia and Georgia Tech.
That said, I understand why teams will be prepared to use a high pick on him. In a draft without a lot of top-end talent — and with so much buzz around Maye — I suspect he will go early. I only have three players on my horizontal board with legit high first round grades — Williams, Marvin Harrison Jr and Brock Bowers. If Maye becomes the consensus QB2, he will go early in round one.
What happens next?
I actually think that might be it for first round quarterbacks. There’s been so much hype surrounding this class but it’s always been ‘deep’ rather than front-loaded.
There are some I would consider in the first round and I’ll come onto them in a bit.
Where will Michael Penix Jr be drafted?
After the Oregon game, many were touting Penix as a high pick. I think we’ve since received some perspective after two challenging games.
There’s no doubting his arm talent. He has a great arm and he delivers some of the prettiest throws we’ve seen in college football since Mahomes at Texas Tech. However, this has often been under no pressure in what amounts to a weekly pitch-and-catch session.
Only Toledo (0.4) are giving up fewer sacks per game than Washington (0.6) in college football. Within a clean pocket throwing to three NFL receivers, life has been comfortable for Penix and the production has piled up. In the last two games though, he’s faced pressure and has struggled.
I have concerns about his technique. He leans back, puts his whole body into the throw and his footwork is often compromised to generate velocity. This is fine when you’ve got all the time in the world to throw as far as you can downfield. In the NFL, he will need to re-work this technique completely. He’ll need to have far more precise footwork, his drops will need to be tighter, he’ll be required to work within a far more complex system that demands more from him pre and post-snap and the ball will need to come out quickly, on time with anticipation.
This is going to take a lot of work. Seeing the way he’s reacted and struggled to basic pressure against Arizona State and Stanford — and how his game folded — set off alarm bells.
In the first five games his completion percentage was 74.9%. I watched all of these games and he was barely touched in the pocket. In his last three games against Oregon, Arizona State and Stanford where he’s faced pressure, his completion percentage has dropped dramatically to 60.2%.
I’m also concerned that he’s often throwing to an area rather than showing he can be a precise, accurate passer on the intermediate level. He’s had a lot of failed deep-shots, where he’s basically thrown it as far as he can. Sometimes his elite college receivers run underneath the throws or they make outstanding high-point or contended catches. Yet other times it’s felt very ‘f-it let’s go deep’.
Let’s be fair, Penix has also completed some excellent touch throws in big situations that show off his talent. My fear, though, is that what we might see in the NFL is a player with physical tools who can make some attractive plays from time to time but is also going to have stretches where he struggles to play on schedule and lead a functioning offense when the big play isn’t always there.
Can he be more than a big-play artist? Will the big plays even follow him to the NFL if his technique needs re-working to be able to throw quickly from the pocket under pressure?
On top of this there are some injury question marks and I’m sure scouts will wonder if he’s the beneficiary of a prolific offensive system that he’s played in for a number of years and mastered. It’s also an offense that is completely foreign to anything he’ll experience at the next level.
I like Penix as a player but I’ve tempered my expectations for him. I think he’s a viable day-two pick and what happens in the coming weeks will determine how high or low he’ll be taken on day two.
Why Rattler & Ewers might appeal to Seattle
Circumstance and perception matters. If you’re playing for a contender in the national spotlight, you’ll get a lot of attention. If you’re stuck playing for a bad team, the opposite happens.
Spencer Rattler has been dealt a bad hand this year. It’s a shame, because I don’t think people realise quite how well he has played despite the adversity he has faced.
While Penix has benefitted from excellent pass protection, Rattler’s situation is the polar opposite. South Carolina have given up the second most sacks in the whole of college football (4.9 per game). Only Colorado’s O-line (5.3) is worse.
Let’s compare Rattler’s sacks-per-game to the other big-name quarterbacks:
Michael Penix — 0.6
Bo Nix — 0.6
JJ McCaffrey — 1.0
Tyler Van Dyke — 1.0
Jordan Travis — 1.3
Riley Leonard — 1.3
Will Howard — 1.6
Quinn Ewers — 2.1
Jayden Daniels — 2.3
Drake Maye — 2.5
Michael Pratt — 2.9
Cam Ward — 3.1
Spencer Rattler — 4.9
It’s incredible, really, when you look at the comparison.
Having watched all of his games in 2023, I can tell you it barely paints the whole picture. He has been pressured, hit and harassed at a ridiculous rate. According to PFF he’s faced 130 total pressures so far, third most by any quarterback in college football.
Several other quarterbacks wouldn’t have been able to function in this environment. Rattler, per PFF, is still grading higher than Kyle McCord and Joe Milton (both playing in winning teams in QB-friendly systems).
Rattler has only eight turnover worthy plays this season, 72nd most in college football. That’s the same number as Shadeur Sanders, Tyler Van Dyke and Jayden Daniels. In comparison, Penix has four despite being in a far more friendly situation.
His TWP percentage of 2.3% isn’t high enough to even show-up in PFF’s top-200 list among college quarterbacks. This is despite being sacked five times more than the likes of Penix, Nix, McCaffrey and others.
Rattler has five interceptions — one fewer than Penix. I’ve seen him throw one egregious interception against Tennessee that ended up being a pick-six but none of the others stood out.
Furthermore, he’s playing in a pro-style offense that is far different to the extreme spread, half-field read offenses elsewhere. In this clip he details the difference between the system at Oklahoma and the scheme he plays in now.
Someone on Twitter/X started a debate with me last week citing the documentary Rattler featured in during High School and his failed time with the Sooners. It’s time to move on from this. As someone who railed against Rattler as a top-five pick two years ago when there was no evidence of warranting such a grade, I’ve completely adjusted my opinion now. He has grown so much as a person and a quarterback. It shows in the way he speaks, acts and plays on the field.
Despite all the chaos going on in front of him, he is composed in the pocket. He plays on schedule, within the system and he combines big plays with more basic (but no less important) plays. Gone are the days of him hopelessly trusting his arm and throwing into triple coverage. The cocky recklessness is a thing of the past. Now, he just looks like a proper QB.
Physically he is exceptional. He has an elite arm. He can make difficult throws downfield on the run with a flick of the wrist. Rattler can make special things happen.
See for yourself:
weekly spencer rattler DIME. unreal throw. pic.twitter.com/lFA63A5rXP
— Kyron Samuels (@kyronsamuels) October 28, 2023
He’s also elusive and a surprisingly good runner.
Rattler has become the player everyone hoped he would be in 2021. It’s just he plays for a bad team who lose every week with the second worst O-line in college football. It’s giving him no chance to thrive like he did in huge wins a year ago against a rampant Tennessee and Clemson. I think many have lost faith in him and are simply ignoring him as a prospect because he didn’t justify the hype two years ago.
I suspect there will be scouts in the league returning to the tape of those two games against Tennessee and Clemson, pleading for him not to be overlooked. He looked like a poor-man’s Mahomes. This year, he’s not had a chance to reach those heights again. He did, however, outplay Drake Maye in week one.
I think he’s an ideal player for a good team to draft and develop. I think draft media is foolish in sleeping on him and in the right situation, I think he can succeed at the next level. As of today, I would consider him in round one. If you could trade into round two and get him, even better. If he’s available beyond that, run to the podium.
I think the Seahawks will also be very interested in Texas’ Quinn Ewers. I’ve been on a bit of a journey with Ewers. I thought his tape last year was poor. This year, he had an exceptional performance against Alabama but some mixed displays in other games. He is erratic at times including against weaker opponents.
That said, I recently went back and reviewed some of his games. Increasingly I’m willing to chalk some of his erraticism down to a lack of experience. He’s not had a lot of starts in college after transferring from Ohio State and suffering some injuries.
I made a lofty comparison for Rattler and I’m going to do it again with Ewers. The more I’ve watched, the more I think there’s a little Aaron Rodgers to him.
His release is to die for. We’re talking about a very subtle, quick flick of the wrist ala Rodgers and the ball fires downfield. I actually think in time he can become more accurate downfield because he’s had a few misses there in his time at Texas. There’s no doubting though the ball bursts out of his palm with minimal effort. It’s special.
It’s basically the reverse of Penix, who has to put his whole body into the throw to generate (admittedly great) velocity. Ewers has easy arm strength, as does Rattler.
On top of this, Ewers can make very quick and precise throws to all levels. The Alabama game was a perfect example of his potential. He was reading the defense, he knew what the scheme demanded and how to exploit opportunities. There was no hesitation — he played with timing and anticipation.
You can see every play from that performance here:
Every throw from Quinn Ewers vs Alabama
STATS
24 for 38 (63%)
349 yards / 9.2 per attempt
3 TD / 0 INT
89.4 Total QBR (out of 100/ESPN) pic.twitter.com/32MnJ8kkAd— Nash (@NashTalksTexas) September 10, 2023
He’s also a great athlete — capable of making surprisingly good gains as a runner and he’s shifty in the pocket. Rodgers was also an excellent athlete — running a 4.32 short shuttle at his pro-day and jumping a 34.5 inch vertical at the combine.
I think scouts and GM’s will like Ewers a lot more than people realise. I think they’ll see what he can become, rather than what he is right now. There are very few players with his potential and natural throwing talent. Plus, I think teams will like the fact he’s played for Steve Sarkisian. There’s a reason Arch Manning snubbed every other elite college team to play for Sarkisian.
For that reason, he could easily be a first round pick. That’s how good his potential is. You would need to be patient with him though.
There will be some concern about injuries. He might miss the rest of the season with a shoulder injury and he had health issues in 2022 too. Tony Pauline is reporting he’s 50/50 on whether to turn pro. The situation at Texas with Manning complicates matters.
I think he’s John Schneider’s type of player. Very talented. Athletic. Arm strength. His personality will appeal (he’s very religious, like Schneider). He’s also been through a lot during his time at Texas and Ohio State.
Both Rattler and Ewers have natural gifts, they’ve grown as individuals, they’ve battled adversity and they are both — in my view — underrated players and viable draft picks for the Seahawks. I reserve the right to change my opinion but I wouldn’t be against either player being Seattle’s first pick in the draft, whenever that might occur. They are high-upside players with the ceiling you look for in a quarterback selection.
Other options
I really like Riley Leonard’s potential. He’s big, highly athletic and while there’s some rawness as a passer — there’s a bit of Josh Allen to his game. He was seconds away from dragging an undefeated Duke to a win against Notre Dame and crushingly ended with a loss and a high ankle sprain instead.
I don’t like that Duke’s staff is letting him play with the injury. Having seen the last two games that he’s played, he’s not even close to being healthy enough to start. He can barely set his feet to throw. I really hope he isn’t making the injury worse, especially playing behind an O-line at times missing its best two starters.
(Edit — it’s been revealed today he’s suffered another injury, a toe issue, and could miss the rest of the season. This is an appalling situation. He had no business being on the field)
I currently have Leonard with a second round grade but he has the potential to be taken in the top-40. He needs time to develop as a passer but he has all the physical skills to succeed.
I’ve thoroughly enjoyed watching Will Howard at Kansas State. He makes good throws across the middle. He’s big and athletic and another surprisingly good runner. There’s a lot of potential here but he’s also had some iffy games (Oklahoma State) where the turnovers have been difficult to ignore. I like him as a day two option, perhaps round three. He’d be a great player to see at the Senior Bowl.
I feel similarly about Tyler Van Dyke. I’m not sure TVD is a fit for what the Seahawks want to do on offense but he does have some potential as a big, strong passer. He’s played well for the most part this year. He’s not particularly mobile but has shown he can do some boot-leg work. He has the occasional ‘head in your hands’ play but he can also throw with touch and drive the ball downfield. At the moment, he has a round-three feel at best.
If you want a bit of a wildcard name — I don’t know if Missouri’s Brady Cook will declare but he’s already 22 and might want to turn pro. I’ve been impressed with him this year. He’s an intelligent, creative quarterback with a good arm, mobility and he’s leading an underrated team to a strong season.
I think Bo Nix is the benefactor of the system at Oregon but there are certain schemes in the NFL where he could succeed. He’s also been through a lot in college and shown a lot of determination to eventually succeed with the Ducks. I have him in round three or four currently.
I’m still trying to work out exactly where I want to place Jayden Daniels, Jordan Travis and Cam Ward. It appears Michael Pratt might return to college year and transfer to a big-name school. I also don’t expect Shadeur Sanders or JJ McCaffrey to declare (unless the situation at Michigan influences his decision).
Rattler and Ewers are the two I’m keeping the closest eye on for Seattle at the moment. I’d be fascinated to know what the Seahawks think about Penix’s technique and ability to adapt to the pro’s.
A quick note for Sunday — I am hosting the national radio broadcast in the UK of the Eagles/Cowboys game. Therefore, the ‘instant reaction’ live stream won’t be so instant this week. I’ll go live when I complete the broadcast to reflect on the Ravens game. So if you’re tuning in, join us after the conclusion of Dallas vs Philly.
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