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Live Blog: Combine day two (CB, S)

Welcome to the 2023 NFL combine coverage on Seahawks Draft Blog

Throughout the next few days I’ll be reacting live to everything happening in Indianapolis. I will also post a daily recap article and a daily live stream.

On top of that, Robbie Williams is attending the combine and will provide insight from his perspective inside Lucas Oil Field.

Keep refreshing this page for updates

The workouts begin today at 3pm ET (12pm PT).

If you want measurements for the defensive backs (and all positions so far) click here.

Cornerback Devon Witherspoon isn’t testing at the combine. Presumably trying to hide a bad forty.

DB broad jumps

Julius Brents: 11’6″
Deonte Banks: 11’4″
Cam Smith: 11’2″
Jakorian Bennett: 11’1″
Christian Gonzalez: 11’1″
Jay Ward: 11′
Tre’Vius Hodges-Tomlinson: 11′
Cory Trice Jr: 11′
DJ Turner: 10’11”
Kyu Blu Kelly: 10’11”
Joey Porter Jr.: 10’9″
Mekhi Garner: 10’8″
Carrington Valentine: 10’8″
Riley Moss: 10’7″
Brian Branch: 10’5″
Mekhi Blackmon: 10’5″
Tyrique Stevenson: 10’5″
Emmanuel Forbes: 10’4″
Lance Boykin: 10’4″
Nic Jones: 10’2″
Jaylon Jones: 10’2″
Keele Ringo: 10’2″
Kei’Trel Clark: 10’2″
Alex Austin: 10’2″
Darius Rush: 10’1″
Terell Smith: 10′
Anthony Johnson: 9’8″
Arquon Bush: 9’7″

DB vertical jumps

Deonte Banks: 42″
Julius Brents: 41.5″
Christian Gonzalez: 41.5″
Jakorian Bennett: 40.5″
Darrell Luter Jr.: 40.5″
Tre’Vius Hodges-Tomlinson: 39″
Riley Moss: 39″
DJ Turner: 38.5″
Tyrique Stevenson: 38.5″
Mekhi Garner: 38″
Jaylon Jones: 38″
Cam Smith: 38″
Emmanuel Forbes: 37.5″
Kyu Blu Kelly: 36″
Mekhi Blackmon: 36″
Cory Trice Jr.: 35.5″
Cameron Mitchell: 35″
Joey Porter Jr.: 35″
Darius Rush: 35″
Nic Jones: 34.5″
Kei’Trel Clark: 34.5″
Jay Ward: 34.5″
Brian Branch: 34.5″
Terell Smith: 34″
Arquon Bush: 33.5″
Keelee Ringo: 33.5″
Clark Phillips III: 33″
Alex Austin: 33″
Anthony Johnson: 30.5″

40 yard dash (cornerbacks)

Alex Austin — 4.56 & 4.55
Deonte Banks — 4.36 & 4.35
Jakorian Bennett — 4.31 & 4.32
Mekhi Blackmon — 4.47 & 4.53
Brian Branch — 4.58 & 4.61
Julius Brents — 4.53 & 4.59
Arquon Bush — 4.54 & 4.54
Kei’Trel Clark — 4.42 & 4.43
Emmanuel Forbes — 4.35 & 4.36
Mekhi Garner — 4.55 & 4.63
Christian Gonzalez — 4.44 & 4.38
Anthony Johnson — 4.64 & 4.65
Jaylon Jones — 4.60 & 4.57
Nic Jones — 4.56 & 4.52
Kyu Blu Kelly — 4.52 & 4.54
Darrell Luter Jr — 4.46 & 4.46
Cameron Mitchell — 4.48 & 4.51
Riley Moss — 4.48 & 4.46
Clark Phillips — 4.51 & 4.54
Joey Porter Jr — 4.47 & 4.52
Kelee Ringo — 4.36 & 4.45
Darius Rush — 4.37 & DNR
Cam Smith — 4.45 & 4.44
Terell Smith — 4.42 & 4.42
Tyrique Stevenson — 4.46 & 4.50
Tre’Vius Hodges-Tomlinson — 4.42 & 4.48
Cory Trice Jr — 4.51 & 4.47
D.J. Turner — 4.27 & DNR
Jay Ward — 4.57 & 4.56

Sauce Gardner is on the NFL Network, he says the most uncomfortable interview he had at the combine last year was with the Seahawks. He says Pete Carroll got really close up to him in the room and kept interrupting his answers to push him. Gardner was saying it semi-jokingly.

Cornerback on-field drills

The NFL Network, again, isn’t showing a lot of the drills. I thought the initial backpedal ‘line’ drills were sloppy across the board. Players were jogging, they were distracted and dropping the ball, the transition wasn’t good and a lot of players weren’t flipping their hips properly. The coaches need to get this going.

Deonte Banks looks fantastic. Big, muscular but quick. I’ll be interested to see his agility testing with that frame.

I can’t believe who mediocre Brian Branch looks. His testing was poor and in drills he looks nothing like the Rolls Royce we saw at Alabama.

Riley Moss has had the best backpedal and transition so far. Very fluid hips and change of direction. Kelee Ringo looked almost as bad as Brian Branch — stiff and unable to track the ball.

Cam Smith looked almost as smooth as Moss backpedaling.

They’ve now flipped the field to the other side and Ringo looks totally lost in the backpedal and transition. They had to stop his second rep to tell him how to do it. He looks so stiff. Cam Smith looked great again on his rep — he shifts position and flips his hips with ease.

I liked Jakorian Bennett, Julius Brents and Brian Branch in the ‘W’ drill. Quick, decisive moments. The rake in shorts, Emmanuel Forbes, also looked reasonable.

Lots of players are slipping and sliding on the turf.

D.J. Turner is not doing field drills. He says he will wait until pro-day.

I really like what Riley Moss is showing in these drills. Julius Brents had some issues changing direction on tape but I think he’s done an admirable job here for his size. He didn’t have a good rep in the gauntlet. That was Brian Branch’s best drill.

The cornerback drills have gone on far too long again, just like last year. Daniel Jeremiah revealed he asked a GM why. Apparently the assistant coaches running the drills ‘insist’ on doing the drills they’ve picked. It’s ridiculous. The DB sessions are notoriously long and dull and go on forever. The league needs to step in.

Official cornerback 40’s

DJ Turner — 4.26
Jakorian Bennett — 4.30
Deonte Banks — 4.35
Emmanuel Forbes — 4.35
Kelee Ringo — 4.36
Darius Rush — 4.36
Christian Gonzalez — 4.38
Tre’Vius Hodges-Tomlinson — 4.41
Terell Smith — 4.41
Kei’Trel Clark — 4.42
Cam Smith — 4.43
Riley Moss — 4.45
Tyrique Stevenson — 4.45
Joey Porter Jr — 4.46
Darrell Luter Jr — 4.46
Cameron Mitchell — 4.47
Mekhi Blackmon — 4.47
Corey Trice Jr — 4.47
Nic Jones — 4.51
Clark Phillips — 4.51
Kyu Blu Kelly — 4.52
Julius Brents — 4.53
Arquon Bush — 4.54
Mekhi Garner — 4.55
Jay Ward — 4.55
Alex Austin — 4.55
Jaylon Jones — 4.57
Brian Branch — 4.58
Anthony Johnson — 4.63

Safety broad jumps

Sydney Brown: 10’10”
Chamarri Conner: 10’5″
Trey Dean III: 10’4″
DeMarcco Hellams: 10’1″
Ji’Ayir Brown: 9’11”
Anthony Johnson Jr.: 10’5″
Brandon Hill: 10’3″
Jordan Howden: 9’11”
Tyreque Jones: 9’11”
Antonio Johnson: 9’10”

Safety vertical jumps

Jartavius Martin: 44″
Jason Taylor II: 43″
Sydney Brown: 40.5″
Chamarri Conner: 40.5″
Daniel Scott: 39.5″
Gervarrius Owens: 37.5″
Trey Dean III: 36.5″
Kaevon Merriweather: 35.5″
Jammie Robinson: 33.5″
Rashad Torrence II: 33.5″
Christopher Smith II: 33″
Ji’Ayir Brown: 32.5″
Brandon Joseph: 30.5″

Safety 40 yard dash times

Jordan Battle — 4.56 & 4.57
Ji’Ayir Brown — 4.66 & 4.65
Sydney Brown — 4.49 & 4.48
Chamarri Conner — 4.52 & 4.54
Trey Dean — 4.75 & 4.78
DeMarcco Hellams — 4.58 & 4.59
Brandon Hill — 4.44 & 4.44
Jordan Howden — 4.54 & 4.49
Anthony Johnson Jr — 4.56 & 4.54
Antonio Johnson — 4.52 & 4.55
Tyreque Jones — 4.52 & 4.61
Brandon Joseph — 4.62 & 4.67
Jartavius Martin — 4.46 & 4.50
Kaevon Merriweather — 4.69 & 4.62
Jammie Robinson — 4.60 & 4.59
Daniel Scott — 4.45 & 4.49
Chris Smith — 4.66 & 4.62
Jason Taylor — 4.50 & 4.53
Rashad Torrence — 4.74 & 4.72

That was possibly the dullest set of forty times I’ve ever watched.

It took forever with very little intrigue.

This is not a good safety class. And now we get to watch them do two whole hours of pretty much the same drill over and over again.

In the initial line drills, the coaches had to again get on the group (as with the cornerbacks) to actually run. They were consistently asking for more speed.

Ji’Ayir Brown has not tested as well as expected and he looks a bit stiff in drills. However, he is incredibly well put together — thick and physical.

It’s a low-energy workout again this year with the DB’s. This is always my least favourite combine day. Charles Davis just said the coaches got on the group because they’re too quiet. There’s a distinct lack of speed and swag on the field currently.

The TV team are just rambling on about nonsense, making this a harder watch than it even was before.

I like the look of Jartavius Martin. Nice compact frame. Quick and tested well. Looks like a good option for the nickel.

Chris Smith had a great year for Georgia but running in the 4.6’s and not looking particularly quick covering the field here will drop his stock on my board. He needs to be dynamic as his size.

Is it more possible for the NFL Network to stop pissing around for five minutes and give us some analysis on the drills?

Jartavius Martin continues to be the standout athlete for me. Very fluid with his movements. Great body type. Just looks made to play in the league.

In what is being called the Teryl Austin drill #2, we’ve seen a number of safeties show great change of direction as they’re getting warmed up. Chris Smith, Sydney Brown, Ji’Ayir Brown and Jartavius Martin all transitioned brilliantly.

Sydney Brown really warmed into his drills and started to flash his obvious athleticism — moving freely and showing loose hips.

Official 40’s for the safety class

Brandon Hill — 4.44
Daniel Scott — 4.45
Jartavius Martin — 4.46
Sydney Brown — 4.47
Jordan Howden — 4.49
Jason Taylor — 4.50
Chamarri Conner — 4.51
Tyreque Jones — 4.52
Antonio Johnson — 4.52
Anthony Johnson — 4.54
Jordan Battle — 4.55
DeMarcco Hellams — 4.57
Jammie Robinson — 4.59
Chris Smith — 4.62
Brandon Joseph — 4.62
Kaevon Merriweather — 4.62
Ji’Ayir Brown — 4.65
Rashad Torrence — 4.72
Trey Dean — 4.75

They’re only doing the gauntlet now so I’m going to end the live blog and begin writing my daily round-up piece. Stay tuned.

My thoughts on day one of the combine

Calijah Kancey lived up to expectations

Here are my day-one thoughts on the defensive line and linebacker workouts…

Adetomiwa Adebwarore is the star of the day

The concept of a 6-2, 282lbs defensive lineman running in the 4.4’s is preposterous, yet that is what ‘Ade Ade’ achieved today. His official 4.49 is a staggering result, paired with a 1.61 10-yard split. He combined this with a set of explosive tests — jumping a 37.5 inch vertical and a 10-5 broad.

This is a rare performance.

You’re left wondering what to make of it. On tape, there are plenty of flashes from Adebwarore and there was enough to warrant a question pre-Senior Bowl to Jim Nagy about his potential. However, unlike the Calijah Kancey’s out there — he didn’t consistently produce and perform.

Was it down to Northwestern struggling? Or will the tape lead teams to ask why he excelled so much at the Senior Bowl — and tested so brilliantly — yet didn’t cause havoc on the field in college?

The fact he has 34-inch arms negates some of the height concerns and could actually create a perfect combo of leverage and an ability to keep his frame clean. I wish he would’ve done the shuttle and three-cone but the ‘prime time’ nature of the combine continues to put players off doing the agility drills (more on that later). The expectation was he could run a shuttle in the 4.00’s.

In Mobile he was the defender who had his team-mates shouting and calling out as he dominated in the 1v1’s. Now he’s tested brilliantly. Could he make for a dynamic inside/out rusher — or at worst a specialist pass rusher?

If you can reason away the lack of great tape — he could easily justify a first round placing. I’ve been thinking he’d be ideal for the Chiefs at the end of day one. They love to draft big-time athletes. Adebwarore has a connection to Kansas City and would like to play for them. I think this performance confirms that range for him, rather than bumping him up much further.

If you missed my interview with Adebwarore you can watch it here:

How does Calijah Kancey compare to Aaron Donald?

This was a big question because the two former Pitt Panthers are so similar physically. While Kancey will never live up to the comparison, his tape did show big-time flashes of pass-rushing quality.

He ran an official 4.67 with a 1.64 split at 281lbs. Aaron Donald ran a 4.68 at 285lbs with a 1.63 split. So, they are very similar in that regard. Their body types, just to look at them, are also very similar. However, Kancey has 30 5/8 inch arms while Donald’s are 32 5/8 inches. There’s a big difference there.

Donald ran a 4.39 short shuttle but sadly Kancey didn’t do one.

Someone will roll the dice on him being even remotely close to Donald and take him in round one. There will always be a fear that at the next level he’ll be washed out at his size and the length is pretty concerning. However — if he works out, even as a rotational rusher — the upside potential is strong.

The Seahawks have made a pretty big deal about length for their defensive linemen, as noted in our big combine preview. I wouldn’t expect them to draft him for that reason. However, Donald excelled for Brandon Staley in LA and they are lacking a disruptive presence up front.

Nolan Smith’s big day

It was hardly a surprise that Smith put on a show. As one of the all-time great SPARQ testers in High School, it was a formality he was going to excel at the combine.

He jumped a 41.5 inch vertical, a 10-8 broad and ran a 4.39 forty (with a 1.52 split).

The big question now is — where do you play him?

It’s doing the rounds online that he’s the heaviest player with a +40 inch vertical and a sub-4.4 forty since 2003. He’s one of only three who weighed more than 215lbs along with D.K. Metcalf and Breece Hall.

Of course this is intriguing but the problem with Smith has always been his tweener status. He’s only 6-2, 238lbs and he has 32 5/8 inch arms. I thought he was unimpressive and ill-suited to play as a pass-rusher at Georgia. He doesn’t scream off the edge that often and at his size there’s no concept of speed-to-power. He didn’t have a counter-move on tape and while he did a better-than-expected job against the run — will that translate to the pro’s?

Ideally you’d play him as an off-the-ball linebacker and then have him rush occasionally. There’s some projection there though for that switch. Plus, what range are you prepared to take a player like that?

The 3-4 teams (like Seattle) could try him at OLB because he’d be playing a lot in space. I’m not sure we’re looking at a sack-dynamo here though, rather he’s someone who will give you everything including the occasional splash.

I’m sure some mocks are going to go over the top after the combine but nothing really changes for me. Anyone aware of SPARQ and Smith’s game knew he was a fantastic athlete and a world class character before the combine. We also knew he was a tweener.

I had him in round two and still feel that way to an extent. I might bump him to a fringe first rounder because there is some separation there with his workout compared to someone like Trenton Simpson. Yet I wouldn’t expect Smith to become a leading pass-rusher in the NFL and I do think teams will need to create a role for him.

10-yard splits are key

Anything in the 1.5’s is considered ‘elite’ for an edge rusher. Last year there was a dearth of players who ran a 1.5 — there were only three (including Boye Mafe).

This year the numbers were better. Here’s a list of players who ran between a 1.5 and a 1.62:

Nolan Smith 1.52
YaYa Diaby 1.56
Derick Hall 1.59
Nick Herbig 1.59
D.J. Johnson 1.59
Tyrus Wheat 1.59
Will Anderson 1.61
Adetomiwa Adebawore 1.61
Byron Young (TEN) 1.61
Lonnie Phelps 1.62
Robert Beal 1.62

It’s particularly impressive for someone like Derick Hall who is a big, nasty, physical edge-setter. He’s a bit stiff bending the arc but a 1.59 split is a big positive you can work with. He can clearly get off the ball and when he initiates contact he’s a powerful, driven competitor.

Tyrus Wheat has flown under the radar for too long. He has an unorthodox frame but running a 1.59 split at 263lbs is impressive. He was used to drop into coverage a lot in college and he could be of interest — especially after he was shown to have 33-inch arms (32 7/8 inches officially).

Adebawore’s 1.61 split at 281lbs is barely believable as we’ve discussed. YaYa Diaby had a good Senior Bowl and followed it up with an excellent combine. He’s a very interesting player with major upside. That’s a brilliant 1.56 split and it’ll do wonders for his stock at 263lbs. D.J. Johnson is a reasonable day-three project as a pass rusher and a good athlete.

Here are the top defensive tackle splits:

Calijah Kancey 1.64
Bryan Bresee 1.71
Jalen Redmond 1.71
Dante Stills 1.72
Zacch Pickens 1.74
Moro Ojomo 1.77
Nesta Jade Solverà 1.77

The Seahawks have tended to show more interest in length (+33 inch arms) and agility (short shuttle) here.

The NFL continues to fumble the combine

The move to ‘Prime Time’ has had no discernible benefit. The plan to move the combine around the country is in the trash, with the event seemingly set to stay in Indianapolis because that’s what the teams want.

We also continue to have players skipping the important agility tests because it’s too late in the day to do them. It’s also high-time the NFL found a way to incentivise a full workout so that the players are encouraged to do everything. Loads of players sat out drills or runs or jumps. Give them a greater reason to compete here and not rely on a pro-day.

Only 11 pass-rushers ran a shuttle:

Jose Ramirez — 4.30
Lukas Van Ness — 4.32
Andre Carter — 4.36
Ochaun Mathis — 4.36
Isaiah Foskey — 4.41
Habakkuk Baldonado — 4.44
Caleb Murphy — 4.45
Colby Wooden — 4.52
Tyrus Wheat — 4.54
Isaiah Land — 4.56
Tavius Robinson — 4.62

The shuttle is vital for defensive tackles but only nine ran one:

Jalen Redmond — 4.51
Dante Stills — 4.61
Zacch Pickens — 4.62
Keeanu Benton — 4.65
D.J. Dale — 4.80
Jerrod Clark — 4.83
Siaki Ika — 4.99
Jaquelin Roy — 5.00
PJ Mustipher — 5.03

Long gone are the days of logging on to NFL.com and pouring over critical short shuttle times. I miss those days. Why on earth has the NFL ruined the combine?

Lukas Van Ness could be a Seahawks target

Well done to Van Ness for actually running a short shuttle. It means we have a reasonable idea that he’ll be on Seattle’s radar. He has good size (272lbs) and he could play as a five-technique.

I suggested this week that the Seahawks might show interest in Zach Allen as a free agent. Van Ness is a very similar tester:

Zach Allen
281lbs
4.36 ss
7.34 3c
32 inch vertical
1.74 split

Lukas Van Ness
272lbs
4.32 ss
7.02 3c
31 inch vertical
1.64 split

Obviously Van Ness is lighter and quicker — but they share very similar agility and explosive testing numbers. They could both interest the Seahawks — could it even be a possible either/or situation?

They have liked players with this kind of profile before. Rasheem Green ran a 4.39 short shuttle at 275lbs and also a 1.65 10-yard split. That’s very similar to Van Ness.

I think some of the top-10 projections are a bit much but in the second half of round one, Van Ness has the profile of a potential Seahawks target. He also looked silky during drills — making most of the tests look easy.

Are there any obvious defensive tackle targets?

With so few people running a short shuttle it’s hard to say. They drafted the following players in the first four rounds (all had +33 inch arms):

Naz Jones — 4.63 ss
Jaye Howard — 4.47 ss
Jordan Hill — 4.55 ss
Jarran Reed — 4.75 ss

Of the group, these two players fit the bill:

Zacch Pickens — 4.62
Keeanu Benton — 4.65

Pickens had an excellent day — looking extremely smooth during drills and adding some explosive jumps (9-8 broad, 30.5-inch vertical) to his résumé. Benton also looked very sharp during drills with little wasted movement or stiffness at his size. Both players could be potential day-two options.

What can we make of Will Anderson?

With Jalen Carter’s ongoing issues and Tyree Wilson not doing anything at the combine, this was a big opportunity for Anderson to create some separation as the top defender in the draft.

Did he manage it? Not really.

He might’ve done to the extent that he’s possibly the best talker you’ll ever hear. His interviews are world class, he hits all the right notes and teams will fall in love with his personality. That is worth a few extra points in grading.

His on-field drill performance was fine. He didn’t ‘wow’ at any point but he didn’t look bad. It was unspectacular for a 253lbs pass-rusher.

In terms of testing, a 4.60 is perfectly fine. Given he’s 30lbs lighter than Adetomiwa Adebwarore, who ran a 4.49, it’s hard not to be left wanting a bit more. He didn’t do any jumps or agility testing either. With a 1.61 10-yard split, he didn’t crack the elite 1.5’s.

I think he’s left the door open to not be the top D-liner taken. Can Tyree Wilson put on a show at his pro-day? If so, he could threaten Anderson.

The key will be his short shuttle, assuming he runs one. The elite pass-rushers all ran brilliant shuttles — regardless of size. See below — and I’ve included the forty times and 10-yard splits too:

Von Miller — 4.53 (1.62) at 246lbs (4.06 ss)
Myles Garrett — 4.64 (1.63) at 272lbs (DNR ss)
Nick Bosa — 4.79 (1.62) at 266lbs (4.14 ss)
Khalil Mack — 4.65 (1.53) at 251lbs (4.18 ss)
Will Anderson — 4.60 (1.61) at 253 (DNR ss)

If he can run in the 4.0’s or 4.1’s in the shuttle — then that will be a big thing for Anderson if wants to be compared to the best.

Linebacker shuttle times are worth paying attention to

As noted in our big combine preview, this is an area Seattle pays a lot of attention to — along with overall outstanding athleticism.

Only six linebackers ran a shuttle. Again, how disappointing:

Jack Campbell — 4.24
Charlie Thomas — 4.34
Jeremy Banks — 4.38
Henry To’oTo’o — 4.40
Shaka Heyward — 4.40
Anfernee Orji — 4.43

Nobody ran in the elite 4.0’s or 4.1’s. It’s still an impressive time for Jack Campbell though. He’s an old-school linebacker and on tape looks a bit stiff. However, this agility testing warrants another look — especially given he also ran a 1.59 10-yard split and a 6.74 three-cone at 249lbs. His 4.65 forty was also better than I expected. I think he’s an early day three type but I might have to bump him up after these numbers. He does lack length though (31 7/8 inch arms on a 6-5 frame).

Other highlights

I thought Moro Ojomo looked great. He had no bad weight on his frame and he looked like a Terminator running drills. He’s explosive (33-inch vertical, 9-4 broad) and ran a good 5.04 forty at 292lbs. With his 34.5 inch arms he’s ideal for the five-technique role and should be someone to monitor at the Texas pro-day, where he’ll hopefully do agility drills.

Bryan Bresee & Keeanu Benton both looked great in the defensive tackle drills, with Bresee in particular giving maximum effort. His short arms will be an issue for Seattle you’d think.

I wish Gervon Dexter played as well as he performed drills because he showed a lot of potential and moved superbly today. His frame looks great. His play is just so maddeningly average though.

Tuli Tuipulotu didn’t run or jump and his short arms and stubby frame make it difficult to know where he plays at the next level. However, I loved the way he attacked drills and flashed power, quickness and effort.

I was very underwhelmed watching Tennessee’s Byron Young on tape. However, a 4.43 forty at 250lbs catches your eye. He added a 38-inch vertical and an 11-0 broad jump. Those are some good numbers but he’s an older player (25) without many ‘wow’ moments in games.

Will McDonald didn’t look 100% as he has been suffering with illness. Teams will love the fact he competed out there despite this and he still managed to look more athletic than most in the on-field section. He didn’t run a forty.

Mazi Smith was among a handful of ‘expected top testers’ who didn’t work out (including Myles Murphy and Zach Harrison — while Keion White only did on-field drills). It’s a shame because Smith was set to put on a big show. However, his biggest win might be that he measured with nearly 34-inch arms. He’ll get his numbers at the Michigan pro-day to boost his stock significantly. Having this kind of length to go with his size (6-3, 323lbs) and traits makes for a very interesting player.

Final thought

Within the first 20 minutes of the NFL Network broadcast today, John Schneider appeared on set to be interviewed. He was the first live guest.

It’s a curious situation. Schneider has barely done any media since being appointed as GM. In the last few weeks we’ve had two long-form radio interviews, this combine interview and the start of a new weekly show on 710 Seattle Sports every Thursday.

What’s the reason behind this? I suspect he’s well aware that the team is going to be sold in the near future and is probably trying to raise his profile. This is still very much seen as Pete Carroll’s team. With Carroll’s career getting close to the end, it seems like Schneider wants to take on a more public profile ahead of new owners coming in.

Of course the best way to draw attention to himself will be to keep having drafts like the 2022 class. Perhaps even hit on a quarterback at #5. Nothing will propel his stock more than being the guy who drafted Russell Wilson, traded Russell Wilson and replaced Russell Wilson with a star.

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Live Blog: Combine day one (DL, LB)

Welcome to the 2023 NFL combine coverage on Seahawks Draft Blog

Throughout the next few days I’ll be reacting live to everything happening in Indianapolis. I will also post a daily recap article and a daily live stream.

On top of that, Robbie Williams is attending the combine and will provide insight from his perspective inside Lucas Oil Field.

Keep refreshing this page for updates

The workouts begin today at 3pm ET (12pm PT).

Some things to note — Will Anderson is working out with the linebackers (which, frustratingly, means we won’t learn his 10-yard split time as they don’t show it for LB’s). Tyree Wilson isn’t testing as he continues to recover from an ankle injury.

This is a critical day for the Seahawks with a big focus on the front seven expected in the draft, even if they go in a different direction at #5.

Feel free to use the comments section as an open thread as the community discusses day one at the combine!

For a handy combine guide on who or what to look for, check out our ‘ultimate combine preview’ by clicking here.

On a quarterback note…

Measurements

These are starting to trickle in…

Drew Sanders
Height: 6040
Weight: 235
Arm: 32 1/8
Hand: 9 3/4

Trenton Simpson
Height: 6020
Weight: 235
Arm: 32 3/8
Hand: 10 1/4

Jack Campbell
Height: 6050
Weight: 249
Arm: 31 7/8
Hand: 10 1/4

Tyree Wilson
Height: 6060
Weight: 271
Arm: 35 3/8
Hand: 9 5/8

Myles Murphy
Height: 6050
Weight: 268
Arm: 33 3/4
Hand: 8 1/2

Nolan Smith
Height: 6020
Weight: 238
Arm: 32 5/8
Hand: 9

Mike Morris
Height: 6050
Weight: 275
Arm: 33 1/2
Hand: 10

Will Anderson
Height: 6034
Weight: 253
Arm: 33 7/8
Hand: 9 7/8

Calijah Kancey
Height: 6010
Weight: 281
Arm: 30 5/8
Hand: 9 1/8

Gervon Dexter
Height: 6060
Weight: 310
Arm: 32 1/4
Hand: 9 1/2

Mazi Smith
Height: 6030
Weight: 323
Arm: 33 3/4
Hand: 9 3/4

Jalen Carter
Height: 6030
Weight: 314
Arm: 33 1/2
Hand: 10 1/4

Bryan Bresee
Height: 6054
Weight: 298
Arm: 32 1/2
Hand: 10 1/4

Felix Anudike-Uzomah
Height: 6031
Weight: 255
Arm: 33 1/2
Hand: 9 5/8

Will McDonald
Height: 6035
Weight: 239
Arm: 34 7/8
Hand: 9 1/2

Zach Harrison
Height: 6054
Weight: 274
Arm: 36 1/4
Hand: 10

Jalen Redmond
Height: 6-2
Weight: 291
Arm: 32 5/8
Hand: 10 1/8

Ivan Pace Jr.
Height: 5-10
Weight: 231
Arm: 30 1/4
Hand: 9 1/2

Owen Pappoe
Height: 6-0
Weight: 225
Arm Length: 31 3/4
Hand Size: 9 1/8

Noah Sewell
Height: 6-1
Weight: 246
Arm Length: 31 5/8
Hand Size: 10

DeMarvion Overshown
Height: 6-3
Weight: 229
Arm Length: 32 1/4
Hand Size: 9 1/2

Ventrell Miller
Height: 6-0
Weight: 232
Arm Length: 32 1/2
Hand Size: 9 1/8

Daiyan Henley
Height: 6-2
Weight: 225
Arm Length: 33
Hand Size: 9 1/2

Tyrus Wheat
Height: 6-2
Weight: 263
Arm Length: 32 7/8
Hand Size: 9

Dylan Horton
Height: 6-4
Weight: 257
Arm Length: 33 1/8
Hand Size: 9 1/2

Nick Hampton
Height: 6-2
Weight: 236
Arm Length: 33 5/8
Hand Size: 9 1/2

Adetomiwa Adebawore
Height: 6-2
Weight: 282
Arm Length: 33 7/8
Hand Size: 10 1/2

Andre Carter II
Height: 6-6
Weight: 256
Arm Length: 33 3/8
Hand Size: 9 3/8

Keion White
Height: 6-5
Weight: 285
Arm Length: 34
Hand Size: 10 1/8

KJ Henry
Height: 6-4
Weight: 251
Arm Length: 33
Hand Size: 10

Lukas Van Ness
Height: 6-5
Weight: 272
Arm Length: 34
Hand Size: 11

Tuli Tuipulotu
Height: 6-3
Weight: 266
Arm Length: 32 1/4
Hand Size: 10 1/8

Derick Hall
Height: 6-3
Weight: 254
Arm Length: 34 1/2
Hand Size: 10

BJ Ojulari
Height: 6-2
Weight: 248
Arm Length: 34 1/4
Hand Size: 10 1/2

Moro Ojomo
Height: 6-3
Weight: 292
Arm Length: 34 1/2
Hand Size: 10 3/8

Byron Young (Alabama)
Height: 6-3
Weight: 294
Arm Length: 34 3/8
Hand Size: 11

Keeanu Benton
Height: 6-4
Weight: 309
Arm Length: 33 7/8
Hand Size: 9 3/4

Zacch Pickens
Height: 6-4
Weight: 291
Arm Length: 34 3/8
Hand Size: 10 3/8

The main note here for me is Mazi Smith’s near 34-inch arms. That is a huge plus and given how he’s expected to test, could easily put him on Seattle’s radar (plus other teams).

I feared Bryan Bresee would have sub-33 inch arms at that is proven to be true.

40 yard dash (defensive tackles)

10-yard splits in brackets

Keeanu Benton (1.79) 5.13 & (1.79) 5.16
Bryan Bresee (1.71) 4.93 & (1.72) 4.93
Jerrod Clark (1.82) 5.34 & (1.84) 5.30
Keondre Coburn (1.82) 5.26 & (1.82) 5.27
D.J. Dale (1.81) 5.30 & (1.83) 5.34
Gervon Dexter (1.81) 5.00 & (1.75) 4.93
Siaki Ika (1.88) 5.45 & (1.90) 5.49
Calijah Kancey (1.64) 4.78 & (1.64) 4.73
P.J. Mustipher (1.88) 5.45 & (1.90) 5.48
Moro Ojomo (1.77) 5.12 & (1.79) 5.23
Zacch Pickens (1.74) 4.96 & (1.75) 4.98
Jalen Redmond (1.72) 4.85 & (1.71) 4.86
Nesta Jade Silvera (1.77) 5.21 & (1.77) 5.20
Dante Stills (1.72) 4.92 & (1.72) 4.94
Cameron Young (1.80) 5.18 & (1.81) 5.20

These are also trickling in…

Vertical jumps

Jalen Redmond: 34.5
Moro Ojomo: 33
Gervon Dexter: 31
Zacch Pickens: 30.5
Keeanu Benton:: 29.5
Nesta Jade Silvera: 29.5
Bryan Bresee: 29
Dante Stills: 28.5
Jerrod Clark: 27.5
Keondre Coburn: 27.5
PJ Mustipher: 27.5
Byron Young (Alabama): 26
DJ Dale: 25.5

Broad Jumps

Jalen Redmond: 9-8
Zacch Pickens: 9-8
Dante Stills: 9-5
Moro Ojomo: 9-4
Keeanu Benton: 9-3
Gervon Dexter Sr.: 9-2
Nesta Jade Silvera: 9-2
Byron Young: 9-0
Jerrod Clark: 8-6
Keondre Coburn: 8-5
DJ Dale: 8-2
PJ Mustipher: 8

Moro Ojomo is showing some good testing numbers. There’s a possibility I will have a chance to interview him in the coming weeks.

John Schneider is live on the NFL Network within the first hour of it starting. He really is increasing his media work this year. He has never done any of these interviews before during the combine.

He says they adjusted their approach to grading changed slightly last year because they had new defensive staff and a scheme tweak. He spoke confidently about getting something done with Geno Smith. Aside from that, nothing major was discussed.

How does Calijah Kancey compare to Aaron Donald?

Kancey ran an official 4.67 with a 1.64 split at 281lbs. Aaron Donald ran a 4.68 at 285lbs with a 1.63 split. So, they are very similar physically.

However, Kancey has 30 5/8 inch arms. Donald’s are 32 5/8 inches. There’s a big difference there.

Notes on the drills

First it’s the wave drill which I really enjoy because you get a sense of movement and athleticism.

Moro Ojomo just looks fantastic. His drill wasn’t anything special because he was hesitant but just look at the guy. He looks like a machine. His body has barely any bad weight. He’s long, athletic, quick and explosive. He is very interesting.

Zacch Pickens looked as smooth as silk running his wave drill.

I thought Alabama’s Byron Young, who didn’t run a 40, did a good job with his effort. He moved across the field quickly. Cameron Young also impressed.

Now onto the four-bag drills. Bryan Bresee looked tremendous going in and out of the bags. That’s not a surprise — he’s a quick, agile, natural athlete. Siaki Ika did a good job for his size and Gervon Dexter looked good in this drill.

Moro Ojomo is going at his own pace getting into position for these drills but he still looks good to me. Zacch Pickens is putting on a show and flashing the athleticism that was very evident on tape. Pickens’ conditioning meant he got a bit gassed during games so let’s see if he can keep up the pace here.

There’s some tightness in Byron Young’s hips but he’s a 294lbs brute-force attacking linemen. So it doesn’t bother me too much.

Keeanu Benton and Bryan Bresee on the pass rush bag-drills were quick, aggressive and powerful. I wish Gervon Dexter played as well as he’s looking in these bag drills. Moro Ojomo continues to impress with a powerful, sudden rep. Zacch Pickens is just making it look easy with such clear natural athleticism and fluidity.

I really like the run-and-club drill through the bags. Keeanu Benton and Bryan Bresee are launching into every drill and setting the tone. Tremendous effort, power and mobility from both. As with most of the other drills, Moro Ojomo and Zacch Pickens then carry it on. I have a man crush on Ojomo with his length, athleticism and power.

Cameron Young was asked to open his hips during his rep and he and Byron Young do have a bit more stiffness compared to the big-time athletes impressing here. However, they just look powerful and sturdy. Byron Young in particular just looks like the BAMF we know him to be.

Now it’s the figure-eight drill which the NFL Network is calling ‘run the hoop’. I love this drill for ankle-flexion and agility. Keeanu Benton was incredibly smooth on his rep and he’s having a great workout. Gervon Dexter looked very athletic again and Siaki Ika was very impressive with the calmness and fluidity of his effort at his size.

Moro Ojomo looked like a terminator on his rep. Again, Zacch Pickens looks in complete control. Byron Young dropped the towel at the end of his rep but otherwise leaned well around the hoop and looked very quick. Cameron Young again looked stiff — I’m not anticipating a great short shuttle but we’ll see.

Mazi Smith isn’t testing

Apparently he has tweaked a hamstring injury. That’s a real shame because he was set to be one of the stars of the combine.

Official 40 times (DT)

Calijah Kancey — 4.67
Jalen Redmond — 4.81
Dante Stills — 4.85
Bryan Bresee — 4.86
Gervon Dexter — 4.88
Zacch Pickens — 4.89
Moro Ojomo — 5.04
Keeanu Benton — 5.08
Cameron Young — 5.10
Nesa Jade Silvera — 5.16

10-yard splits (DT)

Calijah Kancey — 1.64
Bryan Bresee — 1.71
Jalen Redmond — 1.71
Dante Stills — 1.72
Zacch Pickens — 1.74
Gervon Dexter — 1.75
Moro Ojomo — 1.77
Nesa Jade Silvera — 1.77
Keeanu Benton — 1.79
Cameron Young — 1.80

I always say anything in the 1.5’s is ‘elite’ for an edge rusher. So Kancey’s 1.64 is a special time — and those early 1.7’s are very impressive too for the bigger guys.

Could the Cardinals trade down from #3?

Looks like Arizona wants to move down with a QB hungry team. If the Bears trade down to #4, with the top-three QB’s going off the board then potentially Will Anderson, that would possibly be a worst case scenario for Seattle.

DE/Edge forty yard dash times

The 10-yard splits are in brackets. Remember — anything in the 1.5’s is an elite split for an edge rusher in the 250-260 range.

Adetomiwa Adebwarore (1.61) 4.54 & DNR
Habakkuk Baldonado (1.67) 4.78 & (1.68) 4.83
Robert Beal (1.64) 4.58 & (1.62) 4.53
Brenton Cox Jr (1.65) 4.85 & (1.77) 4.88
YaYa Diaby (1.56) 4.56 & DNR
Ikenna Enechukwu (1.66) 4.77 & (1.67) 4.84
Isaiah Foskey (1.67) 4.64 & (1.66) 4.68
Nick Hampton (1.66) 4.68 & (1.65) 4.71
KJ Henry (1.65) 4.71 & pulled up injured during second run
Thomas Incoom (1.65) 4.75 & (1.68) 4.81
Tyler Lacy (1.72) 5.15 & (1.75) 5.19
Isaiah Land (1.67) 4.70 & (1.65) 4.66
Isaiah McGuire (1.73) 4.84 & (1.72) 4.86
Mike Morris (1.72) 5.04 & (1.77) 5.11
Caleb Murphy (1.65) 4.82 & (1.72) 4.86
Jose Ramirez (1.65) 4.80 & (1.63) 4.79
Tavius Robinson (1.64) 4.72 & (1.63) 4.72
Nolan Smith (1.52) 4.44 & DNR
Lukas Van Ness (1.64) 4.64 & (1.65) 4.66
Colby Wooden (1.71) 4.84 & (1.68) 4.86
Byron Young-Tennessee (1.63) 4.51 & (1.62) 4.48

Adetomiwa Adebwarore is heavier than Calijah Kancey, has none of the length issues and just ran a faster forty and split. He’s already jumped a 37.5 inch vertical and a 10-5 broad as well.

In cased you missed it, here’s my interview with ‘Ade Ade’:

I liked YaYa Diaby at the Senior Bowl and he ran in the 1.5’s.

Why is Nolan Smith working out with the D-liners and Will Anderson working out with the linebackers? A nonsense.

It’s a really good time for Lukas Van Ness at +270lbs.

A lot of the pass rush group didn’t run, which is a shame. We’ll see how many of these show up in the linebacker runs but Will McDonald, Myles Murphy, Keion White, B.J. Ojulari, Zach Harrison, Derrick Hall, Andre Carter, Felix Anudike-Uzomah, Dylan Horton, Tyrus Wheat and Ali Gaye didn’t run here.

EDGE drills

It’s the wave drill up first with Ade Ade kicking things off. He ran around well enough, little bit tighter than some of these guys but he’s +280lbs.

Despite the NFL Network hyping this class up — I don’t think this group has run particularly well and they don’t look like that athletic in the initial wave drills.

Will McDonald is the first person to do the wave and look somewhat electric. He’s been suffering with illness. Tuli Tuipulotu looked sharp and Lukas Van Ness was incredibly smooth. He just looked like a natural athlete. Keion White looked a bit stiff but again he’s a bigger guy.

Onto the four-bag drill. Ade Ade moved in and out quickly enough to keep his momentum going.

The NFL Network are talking about Nolan Smith like his performance was a big surprise. He’s one of the best SPARQ testers ever. Why is it such a big deal? He’s a tweener — that’s the more pressing issue.

Ali Gaye did an excellent job on the four-bag drill. Will McDonald was very quick and athletic as expected.

Myles Murphy apparently tweaked a hamstring and isn’t doing anything today.

I don’t want to be mean but Mike Morris just looks like a big lump out there today.

Tuli Tuipulotu just looks like a ball of power and quickness. Keion White was good in the four-bag and flashed athleticism. Byron Young’s rep was very hesitant and the coaches yelled at him to be quicker.

Will McDonald doesn’t look 100% but the fact he’s out there working despite being ill is going to impress teams more than the players ‘protecting themselves’ this week by not doing anything.

Tuli Tuipulotu showed great power slapping the bags in the pass rush bag drill. He is looking sharp here. Keion White also had an impressive rep, as did Lukas Van Ness and Byron Young.

Onto the run and club through the bags. Another good rep from Ade Ade who is having a day. Yaya Diaby — who again, had a very good Senior Bowl — looked great in this drill.

Isaiah McGuire had a really good rep. He’s an underrated player who showed well in the SEC. Another fantastic rep from Tuli Tuipulotu who has been one of the stars of the on-field drills.

Keion White, like Moro Ojomo earlier, just looks like an absolute beast. Big but with no bad weight. The coaches liked Byron Young’s rep.

Ade Ade did the linebacker drills at +280lbs and didn’t look out of place. Incredible.

D-line broad jumps

Byron Young (TEN): 11-0
Will McDonald IV: 11-0
Nolan Smith: 10-8
Derick Hall: 10-7
Isaiah Land: 10-6
BJ Ojulari: 10-6
Adetomiwa Adebawore: 10-5
Isaiah Foskey: 10-5
Robert Beal Jr.: 10-3
Isaiah McGuire: 10-2
Habakkuk Baldonado: 10-0
YaYa Diaby: 10-0
Ikenna Enechukwu: 10-0
Dylan Horton: 10-0
Lukas Van Ness: 9-10
Keion White: 9-9
Tyrus Wheat: 9-5
K.J. Henry: 9-4
Mike Morris: 9-2
Andre Carter: 9-1

D-line vertical jumps

Nolan Smith — 41.5
Byron Young — 38
Adetomiwa Adebawore — 37.5
Yaya Diaby — 37
Isaiah McGuire — 36.5
Will McDonald — 36
Nick Hampton — 35.5
Habakkuk Baldonado — 35
Jose Ramirez — 34.5
Isaiah Land — 34.5
Isaiah Foskey — 34
Keion White — 34
Dylan Horton — 34
Derick Hall — 33.5
Ochaun Mathis — 33.5
Tavius Robinson — 33.5
Brenton Cox — 33
BJ Ojulari — 32.5
DJ Johnson — 32
KJ Henry — 31.5
Lukas Van Ness — 31
Andre Carter — 30
Robert Beal — 30
Mike Morris — 28.5
Tyrus Wheat — 28.5

D-line official forty times

Nolan Smith — 4.39
Byron Young — 4.43
Robert Beal — 4.48
Adetomiwa Adebawore — 4.49
Yaya Diaby — 4.51
Isaiah Foskey — 4.58
Nick Hampton — 4.58
Lukas Van Ness — 4.58
Isaiah Land — 4.62
KJ Henry — 4.63

Adetomiwa Adebawore running in the 4.4’s is an absolute joke.

Linebacker broad jumps

Yasir Abdullah: 10-9
Jack Campbell: 10-8
Owen Pappoe: 10-6
Jeremy Banks: 10-6
Daiyan Henley: 10-5
Charlie Thomas: 10-4
DeMarvion Overshown: 10-4
Anfernee Orji: 10-2
Dorian Williams: 10
Dee Winters: 9-9
Henry To’oTo’o: 9-8
Shaka Heyward: 9-8
Noah Sewell: 9-7
Micah Baskerville: 9-7
Jalen Graham: 9-4

Linebacker vertical jumps

Anfernee Orji: 38.5
Jack Campbell: 37.5
Jeremy Banks: 37.5
Yasir Abdullah: 36.5
Owen Pappoe: 35.5
Daiyan Henley: 35
Dorian Williams: 33.5
Cam Jones: 33
Noah Sewell: 33
Charlie Thomas: 32.5
Henry To’oTo’o: 32
Micah Baskerville: 31
Shaka Heyward: 31
Dee Winters: 30.5
Jalen Graham 30.5

Linebacker forty times

Same complaint every year. They put edge rushers in the linebacker group and then don’t show the 10-yard splits on the TV. Thankfully, the NFL Network read out Will Anderson’s split and NFL.com are updating with the times.

Yasir Abdullah (1.62) 4.57 & (1.56) 4.53
Will Anderson (1.61) 4.69 & DNR
Jeremy Banks (1.56) 4.74 & 4.59
Jack Campbell (1.59) 4.71 & 4.74
Jalen Graham (1.68) 4.69 & 4.71
Derick Hall (1.62) 4.57 & (1.59) 4.61
Daiyan Henley (1.56) 4.63 & (1.55) 4.67
Nick Herbig (1.59) 4.71 & 4.83
Shaka Heyward (1.60) 4.57 & (1.54) 4.58
D.J. Johnson (1.60) 4.60 & (1.59) 4.55
Andre Jones Jr — pulled up injured
Cam Jones (1.64) 4.76 & (1.62) 4.76
Ochaun Mathis (1.66) 4.87 & (1.64) 4.78
Anfernee Orji (1.57) 4.61 & 4.58
DeMarvion Overshown (1.59) 4.59 & DNR
Owen Pappoe (1.56) 4.50 & 4.46
Lonnie Phelps (1.62) 4.62 & DNR
Drew Sanders DNR
Noah Sewell (1.57) 4.72 & 4.74
Trenton Simpson (1.57) 4.50 & (1.55) 4.53
Charlie Thomas (1.55) 4.58 & 4.57
Henry To’oTo’o (1.61) 4.69 & (1.57) 4.57
Tyrus Wheat (1.62) 4.68 & (1.59) 4.70
Dorian Williams (1.57) 4.54 & (1.54) 4.56
Dee Winters (1.56) 4.58 & 4.57

Drew Sanders did not run a forty which is disappointing. Neither did Andre Carter.

Short shuttle times

Once again, a disappointing number of players took part in the shuttles. Fair play to those who did — but we’re not getting much info here.

EDGE

Jose Ramirez — 4.30
Lukas Van Ness — 4.32
Isaiah Foskey — 4.41
Habakkuk Baldonado — 4.44
Caleb Murphy — 4.45
Colby Wooden — 4.52
Isaiah Land — 4.56
Tavius Robinson — 4.62

DT

Jalen Redmond — 4.51
Dante Stills — 4.61
Zacch Pickens — 4.62
Keeanu Benton — 4.65
D.J. Dale — 4.80
Jerrod Clark — 4.83
Siaki Ika — 4.99
Jaquelin Roy — 5.00
PJ Mustipher — 5.03

Three cone times

Jose Ramirez — 6.95
Lukas Van Ness — 7.02
Habakkuk Baldonado — 7.11
Byron Young (TEN) — 7.19
Isaiah Land — 7.20
Isaiah Foskey — 7.28
Caleb Murphy — 7.28
Isaiah McGuire — 7.39
Colby Wooden — 4.52

Tavius Robinson — 4.62

DT

Jalen Redmond — 7.30
Keeanu Benton — 7.34
Dante Stills — 7.38
Zacch Pickens — 7.45
Gervon Dexter — 7.50
Jerrod Clark — 7.60
Tyler Lacy — 7.60
Byron Young (ALA) — 7.68
D.J. Dale — 7.69
Siaki Ika — 7.80
PJ Mustipher — 8.01
Jaquelin Roy — 8.01

Linebacker drills

I haven’t seen anything yet to make Will Anderson standout athletically.

Jack Campbell looks about my age but moved in and out opf the bags nicely. Derick Hall looks like a beast but there’s some stiffness. Daiyan Henley was very quick around the bags — no wasted movement, shifted around the drill nicely.

In the change of direction drills, I don’t really know why they’ve got Will Anderson doing all this. Why is he doing linebacker drills and Nolan Smith was with the edge rushers? It’s ridiculous. We need to see Anderson doing the pass rush drills, not running around in space. Daiyan Henley looks like a natural moving around and changing direction.

The NFL Network is barely showing any of the LB drills. And when they finally get to the pass rush bags, they go to commercial when Will Anderson does his rep. They eventually showed his two reps. He looks fine. Nothing more, nothing less.

Drew Sanders showed quickness and aggression on his reps. He looked fantastic on the change of direction drill — shifting around the field with ease.

Official linebacker forty times

Owen Pappoe — 4.39
Trenton Simpson — 4.43
Will Anderson — 4.60
Yasir Abdullah — 4.47
Dorian Williams — 4.49
Dee Winters — 4.49
D.J. Johnson — 4.49
Charlie Thomas — 4.53
Anfernee Orji — 4.53
Jeremy Banks — 4.53
Shaka Heyward — 4.53
Daiyan Henley — 4.54
Derick Hall — 4.55
Lonnie Phelps — 4.55
DeMarvion Overshown — 4.56
Henry To’oTo’o — 4.62
Noah Sewell — 4.62
Jalen Graham — 4.64
Jack Campbell — 4.65
Tyrus Wheat — 4.65
Cam Jones — 4.69

I’m ending the live blog now with the NFL Network no longer showing drills.

I will have some thoughts in a recap post coming shortly. Stay tuned.

Identifying the ‘character studs’ in this draft class

In my final piece before the combine begins (and please do check out our extensive combine preview and ‘mock off-season‘ if you haven’t already) — I wanted to once again return to the topic of character.

If you’ve been reading my articles over the last couple of weeks, you’ll know we’ve raised the regularity with which John Schneider and Pete Carroll are hailing the attitude of the 2022 class, noting it was integral to their early success. We’ve also come to learn Kayvon Thibodeaux wasn’t a consideration for the Seahawks, presumably due to his obsession with his personal brand.

There will be a big emphasis on character in this draft. I’m going to run through who I think are the ‘character studs’ in the class. But first, I want to draw your attention to an article in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

People reacted angrily to Todd McShay questioning Jalen Carter’s character. Those same people seemingly didn’t notice Lance Zierlein raised similar concerns in his draft report for Carter stating, ‘his maturity will need to be vetted by each team as they make their evaluations’ before adding, ‘scouts say maturity has been an issue for him at times’.

Now, there’s this report on the car accident that led to the recent deaths of a Georgia player and a football staffer:

“At first, Jalen Carter told the police he was nearly a mile away when a University of Georgia teammate and a football staff member died in a car crash.
Later, Carter said he had been following the car when it wrecked, close enough to see its taillights.

And, at one point, he acknowledged he was alongside the other car, whose speedometer stuck on impact at 83 mph — double the speed limit.
Carter, a defensive star for Georgia who is projected as a top pick in this year’s NFL draft, left the crash scene, apparently before the police or emergency medical workers arrived. When he returned an hour and a half later, he gave shifting accounts of the wreck as an Athens police officer questioned him about whether he had been racing the car that crashed, according to documents reviewed by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

Carter denied he was racing before the Jan. 15 crash, which killed recruiting analyst Chandler LeCroy, 24, and offensive lineman Devin Willock, 20. Another recruiting staff member, Tory Bowles, 26, and offensive lineman Warren McClendon, 21, were injured.

Carter’s presence at the moment of the crash, previously unreported, alters the narrative that Athens police officials offered publicly from the beginning. It was, officials said, simply a single-car accident, caused by LeCroy’s driving too fast.
But the police had reason to suspect almost from the moment of the crash that other cars had been at the scene, and they soon learned at least two of those vehicles were driven by Georgia football players. Seeking evidence of possible racing, officers have obtained surveillance video from city-owned cameras along the route the players took out of downtown Athens. They also obtained footage from at least one business owner. The police have declined to release these videos, saying they are evidence in an open case.”

It’s now been revealed that an arrest warrant has been issued for Carter for reckless and dangerous driving:

Details of the investigation, released Wednesday, cited evidence that Carter and LeCroy were “operating their vehicles in a manner consistent with racing” shortly before the fatal crash.

“The evidence demonstrated that both vehicles switched between lanes, drove in the center turn lane, drove in opposite lanes of travel, overtook other motorists, and drove at high rates of speed, in an apparent attempt to outdistance each other,” the police statement said.

Police investigators have determined that “alcohol impairment, racing, reckless driving, and speed were significant contributing factors to the crash.”

A toxicology report indicated that LeCroy’s blood alcohol concentration was .197 — more than twice the legal limit in Georgia — at the time of the crash, according to police. The 2021 Ford Expedition driven by LeCroy was travelling at about 104 mph shortly before the crash.

This article was published on January 23rd, with the headline:

REVEALED: Chilling image of Georgia football players and staff leaving a strip club just minutes before the fatal car crash that killed OL Devin Willock and recruiting analyst Chandler LeCroy

Georgia offensive lineman Devin Willock and some of his teammates were pictured leaving an Athens strip club just minutes before a fatal car crash that killed him and a recruiting analyst.

Images from the Athens-Clarke County Police showed Willock and teammate Warren McLendon leaving Toppers International Showbar around 2:30 in the morning, according to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

Also pictured with them were, ‘two women who strongly resemble the UGA employees involved in the fatal crash,’ the paper reported.

Quite a few people owe Todd McShay an apology for the vitriol they posted in response to his comments on ESPN.

This is a very concerning development. If this situation is unresolved before the draft, how can any team draft Carter? They can’t. That’s how serious this is.

And it seems a virtual certainty at this point that he won’t be on Seattle’s board.

I do have some thoughts on who they might desire, however, due to a combination of character and talent.

It’s long been understood that Will Anderson has exceptional character. Nick Saban has gone above and beyond to praise Anderson and quarterback Bryce Young. When I say he’s gone above and beyond — I don’t mean throwaway remarks in a press conference for two important players. I legitimately mean he has delivered emotional speeches, specifically detailing why these two players are incredible team-mates and individuals.

Watch this interview with Anderson. It is the most impressive sit-down interview I’ve ever seen from a college football player:

I’m going to make a prediction. I think, based on Seattle’s need on the defensive line, that Anderson will be the player they possibly covet the most in round one. I think he’s possibly the one player they’ll bypass a quarterback for.

I wrote about his play on the field here so won’t rehash all of that. Given he fills a vital need for an impact rusher and has 10/10, elite level character — I think they’ll want him. I suspect they’ll view him as a potential cornerstone for the next decade — someone who will carry the team emotionally much like Kam Chancellor used to do.

The direction of Seattle’s draft could go through Anderson and whether he lasts to #5.

We recently discussed the sliding doors effect of a draft. Anderson could provide the biggest jolt to the different scenarios facing Seattle.

Scenario #1

a.) If Anderson is there at #5, draft him
b.) In order to draft a QB, take Hendon Hooker on day two
c.) BPA at #20, possibly including an offensive weapon (Mayer? Downs? Robinson?)

Scenario #2

a.) Anderson isn’t there at #5, so they pivot to quarterback
b.) This forces them to go D-line at #20 instead of necessarily BPA

These are just a couple of examples. I wouldn’t rule out Tyree Wilson at #5. There are no obvious character flaws with Wilson, I just don’t get the sense he’s in the top echelon. That’s no different to Charles Cross, though.

The top-three QB’s are bonafide character studs. Young, like Anderson, has been hailed by Saban. Will Levis is beloved at Kentucky, is incredibly intelligent and dedicated to his craft. C.J. Stroud is seen as a fantastic person who is well liked at Ohio State. I don’t have enough information on Anthony Richardson to pass judgement but haven’t heard anything negative and he interviews well.

Watching interviews is something I’ve done more and more over the years. It’s the only insight we have into personality and character. It was reassuring, therefore, to hear both Schneider and Jim Nagy say watching interviews online is something the pro’s do to get an angle on character. It’s a useful exercise.

I haven’t watched every player speak to the media because that’s a big ask. However, these are the players I have listened to who I believe are ‘character studs’:

Will Anderson (EDGE, Alabama)
Josh Downs (WR, North Carolina)
Will Levis (QB, Kentucky)
Bryce Young (QB, Alabama)
Kenny McIntosh (RB, Georgia)
Ji’Ayir Brown (S, Penn State)
Byron Young (DE, Alabama)
Hendon Hooker (QB, Tennessee)
C.J. Stroud (QB, Ohio State)
DeMarvion Overshown (LB, Texas)
Michael Mayer (TE, Notre Dame)
Julius Brents (CB, Kansas State)
K.J. Henry (EDGE, Clemson)
B.J. Ojulari (EDGE, LSU)
Nolan Smith (LB, Georgia)
Ventrell Miller (LB, Florida)
Derick Hall (EDGE, Auburn)

This list of players wowed when speaking to the media and/or are celebrated publicly for their character. I would recommend digging out their interviews to see for yourself. May I recommend Kenny McIntosh’s cigar-smoking post-National Championship victory press conference as a starting point.

I think the following players also deserve a mention for their maturity, drive and thoughtfulness:

Joey Porter Jr (CB, Penn State)
J.L. Skinner (S, Boise State)
Brian Branch (S, Alabama)
Cody Mauch (OL, North Dakota State)
Alex Forsyth (C, Oregon)
John Michael Schmitz (C, Minnesota)
Max Duggan (QB, TCU)
Sydney Brown (S, Illinois)
Chase Brown (RB, Illinois)

Like I said, I’ve not watched every player and I’m open to suggestions so I can add to the lists.

I think this will be a huge factor at #5. You have three quarterbacks and Will Anderson who I’d put in the top category for character. It wouldn’t surprise me if they ended up being the top-four picks in round one. If Jalen Carter is no longer a consideration, it does make it a little bit more frustrating that Seattle dropped from #3 to #5. The teams everyone should blame are Houston and Indianapolis for the farcical way their week-17 encounter ended. I don’t blame the Chargers for losing to Denver — they played their starters way longer than anyone could’ve expected for a meaningless game.

So what should Seahawks fans be hoping for if a.) I’m right about Seattle’s thought process here and b.) they want the team to get what they want.

I would suggest hoping Tyree Wilson has an amazing pro-day. He isn’t doing drills at the combine as he recovers from injury. There’s no negative to Wilson having an amazing pro-day. He could usurp Anderson as the top-defender taken, pushing the Alabama pass-rusher closer to Seattle. He could be taken in the top-four, pushing a top-three QB to Seattle. Or he’ll simply be interesting enough to warrant taking at #5.

Currently I can’t see any way Anderson gets by Arizona at #3.

Could the Seahawks trade up? Either for Anderson or a quarterback?

The problem is price. It cost the Jets three second round picks to go from #6 to #3 to select Sam Darnold in 2018. Chicago gave up third and fourth round picks, plus a third the following year, to go from #3 to #2 in 2017 to select Mitchell Trubisky.

I can’t imagine there’s a price Seattle would feel comfortable spending to get to the #1 or #2 pick. They can’t afford to turn three high picks into one player.

It would probably require the Bears getting no offers for #1 and becoming a bit desperate. They would also need to decide trading down at all costs is better than taking a player themselves at #1. That doesn’t feel likely.

That said, they had Adam Schefter announce this week that they’re ‘leaning towards trading the #1 pick’. That was a come-and-get-me plea if ever there was one.

It’s possible the Colts call their bluff if the asking price is too high. Indianapolis is guaranteed one of the top-four quarterbacks at #4. Do they rate one significantly higher than the others? If not, why trade up? And if at least one defender is destined to go in the top-four, they’re guaranteed one of Stroud, Young or Levis.

If the Bears can’t work a deal with Houston at #2 — and the Texans appear totally unprepared to trade up — they might be more inclined to drop way down to #7 with Las Vegas or #9 with Carolina to get a haul of picks. That’s their aim — a haul.

The Seahawks won’t be willing to offer a haul.

Regardless, I suspect Anderson could be the apple of Seattle’s eye at #5 — followed by the top-three quarterbacks. If they end up being the top-four picks, it could come down to a decision between Tyree Wilson and Anthony Richardson, the two most likely alternatives.

The Seahawks might be disappointed to see Anderson taken within the top-three. Don’t rule out the Bears taking him if the right offer doesn’t materialise. Don’t rule out the Texans taking him either. That’s why Seattle might be preparing to spend #5 on a quarterback — even if they re-sign Geno Smith. Or, ultimately, trading down themselves.

Let’s see if the combine changes things.

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Mock Seahawks off-season: Pre-combine edition

Free agency, a seven-round mock, Geno’s future. It’s all covered here.

I’ve tried to make this as realistic as possible — and it highlights some of the challenges facing Seattle financially.

The Geno Smith situation

So far, I think the Seahawks have handled this perfectly.

They resisted calls to extend Geno during the season. They’ve taken things into the combine, where all the teams meet and talk business. Smith’s representatives — and the Seahawks — will have a better idea of his value after this week in Indianapolis.

Only then can they make a decision. While there’s obviously mutual interest in getting a deal done, it has to work for both sides.

Carroll spoke to Mike Florio earlier today and said this on Smith:

“Geno’s been us and we’ve been him. We should just do this together. We’ve still got to work out the business part of it. We’ve got a team that needs some help and some areas in free agency that we’ve got to address and we’re looking forward to doing that and this is the game that you play at this time of year. So we’re working hard at it. We’d love to have Geno back.”

The public message has been consistent. They want him back but it has to be at a certain price. It’s the right tactic. Praise Smith, celebrate his 2022 season. Then remind him that to continue what they started — and to get better — they can’t just give him all of their available money. There has to be some give and take.

I don’t think it was a coincidence that Dave Wyman, who hosts a show with John Schneider, casually brought up a belief that Smith wants $40m a year on 710 Seattle Sports. I also think that was a good tactic, if the information was leaked by the team. It informs the fanbase that they’re trying and if it doesn’t happen — it wasn’t really their fault.

So which way does this go?

It might seem a bit of a cop out to start this mock off-season with a hedge but the honest answer is I don’t know.

There are a number of very similar quarterbacks hitting the market. If one of them — Daniel Jones, Derek Carr, Jimmy Garoppolo — gets a big contract, then it’ll make it easier for the others to follow suit. It’s also possible teams are going to smoke this market out. There might not be a great rush to pay. Whether it’s this year or some time in the future, I think the league is going to reach an epiphany on second and third tier quarterback contracts. I do think a consensus might emerge where the view is — pay the best top money, or just use the draft and look for value.

If that happens, they could all end up playing a game of poker, waiting for someone to show their hand first.

For that reason it could mean free agency starts and a few of these players end up in a staring contest with teams. That would be typical for Smith — who took weeks to re-sign in Seattle last year despite it being the only starting job on offer. It even prompted a slightly irked Carroll to make a public statement in a press conference before the 2022 draft to try and get things moving.

I don’t think there’s any chance Seattle uses the franchise tag on Geno because it’s too risky to not get an extension done and be lumbered with a $32.4m charge this year. That would end any hope of doing what Carroll says they need to do — make moves in free agency. The Seahawks only have $14m in effective cap space. They can create more, but not so much more that they can carry $32.4m. They’d lose leverage in talks too because Smith would know he’s guaranteed $32.4m and the team needs to get that number down.

Their best leverage ploy at the moment is their ability to move on. That’s gone the minute they tag him.

Here’s my prediction. They don’t use the tag. I think it’ll come down to Seattle and Tampa Bay. The Buccaneers are making a big push by hiring his QB coach with the Seahawks to be their offensive coordinator. They also just appointed one of Geno’s best friends to be their new QB coach. Todd Bowles also worked with Smith in New York.

How prepared are they to commit future money and guarantees? They are in a desperate cap situation but equally can’t just blow everything up. They have a veteran roster full of players who won’t want to waste their time in a rebuild. Many of the contracts are immovable and will need to be re-worked to get under the cap before the new league year begins. Bowles and GM Jason Licht can ill-afford to endure a wasted season too, or their jobs will be at risk.

The NFC South is winnable. Even if it’s time to suffer through some financial pain to come out the other end, they have a roster that can compete if they have a viable quarterback. I suspect they’ll look at what Seattle did in 2022 and think they can do the same — in a division without the 49ers.

I think Smith could sign with either team. Seahawks or Buccs.

Either way, the amount Seattle spends on a veteran quarterback this year will be similar. Any deal with Smith will require a multi-year agreement with a low cap hit in 2023 for perhaps as little as $8-10m. If he departs, they’ll likely just take that cap number and give it to Drew Lock or another veteran to be the bridge for a season. Or they might sign two veterans for the same cost.

My hunch is they’ll get something done to keep Smith. However, it’ll be a contract with an obvious out as early as next year and will very much keep the door open to draft a quarterback at #5. This could be considered the ideal situation — re-creating the torch-passing we saw in Kansas City when the Chiefs had Alex Smith and drafted Patrick Mahomes.

Creating more cap room

If they spend $8-10m on a quarterback this year, they’ll only have $4-6m in effective cap space remaining. That’s how tight finances are, despite everyone imagining the post-Russell Wilson era would give the Seahawks loads to spend. Most of it has already gone.

Cutting Gabe Jackson is inevitable to create an extra $6.5m. I think they’ll cut Quinton Jefferson too, to save another $4.5m. That would give the Seahawks $15-17m to play with.

Bryan Mone’s injury makes a settlement likely. Cutting him saves $2.6m to bump the available money up to $18-20m.

I would consider re-working Jamal Adams’ contract to create more room. That feels inevitable and really, it’s not unreasonable for the team to go down that route given he hasn’t provided value for money.

They could also look to extend Uchenna Nwosu’s contract to lower his $13m cap hit. He’s set to be a free agent next year and played well in 2022.

They’ll probably need to lower Shelby Harris’ cap hit but I’m not sure how they approach that. I would be against cutting him because he’s too important. He and Al Woods were the only bright spots on the defensive line in 2022. He’s high character and a good scheme fit. If you cut him and re-sign him, how do you do that while carrying $3.3m in dead money? You’d have to get him back for about $4m just to make the process worthwhile. A small extension would be ideal but Harris turns 32 in August. They might have to live with this one and make savings elsewhere.

For the purpose of this article I’m going to say they have $20-22m in effective cap space to use in free agency.

Seattle’s other free agents

It might take a bit of time with this one but I can imagine Rashaad Penny returning to Seattle. They gave him a decent contract in 2022, a show of faith. It might be time to return the favour now after another season lost to injury. This shouldn’t be a bank-breaker and will allow the team to feel good about having two runners. Let’s say he comes back for $3.5m.

Poona Ford was an ill-fit in Seattle’s new defensive scheme. As well liked as he is, they might need to try and find a different type of defensive lineman.

Austin Blythe has just announced his retirement. He will need to be replaced.

Will Cody Barton return? Possibly but it’s likely to be a very modest contract and both parties might feel like a change of scenery is needed. I would imagine they have a lot of interest in bringing back Travis Homer for his special teams value (and they seem to like his attitude and versatility). Between them it might cost $2m.

The only other significant free agent is Drew Lock. The Seahawks would surely like to bring him back but it’ll depend on interest elsewhere and whether there’s a better route to start with another team. If his market is lukewarm, after a period of time he could come back to provide competition and depth. He’s a lot more likely to return, obviously, if Smith moves on.

It seems inevitable that Ryan Neal will receive a tender. Do they risk using the right of first refusal rather a second round tender, to save $1.7m? I’m going to say yes due to Neal’s injury record. They get him back for $2.6m.

Michael Jackson played well enough across from Tariq Woolen to be kept as an exclusive rights free agent. I’d imagine they retain Godwin Igwebuike as an ERFA too after the way he provided a major boost in the return game. There’s also probably enough to keep Myles Adams around in the same situation as an ERFA.

These moves, plus a quarterback signing, will not leave much cap room left to go shopping. It might be as little as $10-12m.

Outside free agent signings

I think they will key-in on a couple of positions like last year and look to make similar signings. In 2022 they brought in Nwosu, brought back Jefferson, added Blythe and signed Artie Burns.

I’m going to look for similar level signings, given how little they have to play with.

This is not a good center class in the draft. I don’t have any player graded higher than round three — although I’m willing to move players up into round two if they perform well at the combine. Even then, I think Joe Tippmann (who should be the top tester at center) might be better suited to guard.

Even with a haul of picks I don’t think you can bank on a center you like being available. Let’s say the Seahawks rate John Michael Schmitz higher than I do. You can’t go into the draft assuming he’ll be available on day two.

Thus, I think this is a key area for free agency.

I would ask about Minnesota’s Garrett Bradbury first and foremost. He played for Kevin O’Connell last season, running the same offense as Shane Waldron. He’ll know the terminology. He’s also ideally sized (6-3, 300lbs) for the type of center they want (leverage is key). He ran a 4.53 short shuttle at his combine — that’s the type of short-area agility Seattle wants at the position.

They might be prepared to make a 2-3 year commitment here in order to keep the 2023 cap-hit low. We also know the Seahawks like a reclamation project and Bradbury, a former #18 overall pick, would be a nice challenge for them. He’s been solid if unspectacular — but that’s OK at center. You can live with solid.

If his price is too high then the other name I’d go for is Jake Brendel. He’s arguably an even better scheme fit. He’s 6-4 and 299lbs and has the wrestling background they like. His short shuttle was an outstanding 4.27. After a few years bouncing around the league he found a home in San Francisco and he did a good job replacing Alex Mack.

The Kyle Shanahan scheme shares DNA with the Sean McVay scheme — so it’d be a comfortable transition for Brendel.

The 49ers have cap problems and might not be able to match even a ‘decent’ offer to Brendel. They seem to like backup Daniel Brunskill and appear ready to re-sign him if they need to make a move.

Sign one of these two players and it’s another box ticked before the draft. I’m not sure how you’d structure the deals — multi-year or single season — but It’d help to put down some roots on a 2-3 year deal. That could enable you to keep the 2023 cap-hit down, perhaps as low as Blythe’s $4m in 2022.

Next, defensive line.

You might only have enough space to make one signing, with the rest of your moves coming in free agency.

I would put the feelers out to see if there’s a ‘Nwosu-style’ deal to be done with Arizona’s Zach Allen. As with Nwosu, he’s at a good age (26 in August) and just building into his prime. We noted the Seahawks put a lot of emphasis on the short shuttle on the D-line and he ran a superb 4.36. He’s a classic 3-4 defensive end too — the kind who can disrupt and play the run with great length (35 inch arms). Basically he’s exactly what they need.

I just think the Cardinals can ill-afford to lose him, especially to a division rival, and will work hard to keep him in Arizona. He might be too pricey. If it’s possible, he’d be a key target for me.

John Cominsky could be an alternative. He was claimed off waivers by the Lions a year ago, after being released by Atlanta. He developed into a heart-and-soul contributor in Detroit and a vital part of their blossoming defense. He also has decent length and size (34 1/2 inch arms, 290lbs) and he ran a 4.38 short shuttle. He turns 28 in November and could be viewed as another rising talent reaching his peak, with high character and grit.

The other name to mention is A’Shawn Robinson. He’s viewed as a good run defender and that’s something the Seahawks badly need. He has 34 1/2 inch arms and isn’t as athletic as the others but he’d be more of a base down, rotational run defender than a disruptor.

He signed a two-year deal in LA worth $8.5m a season. He turns 28 in March. If the sparkle of Allen or Cominsky isn’t available — or if the Seahawks just want a stout, reliable run defender instead — Robinson could be an alternative. I think, based on price and market, Robinson is the more likely option.

If there’s anything left after signing a center and a defensive lineman, adding a linebacker is necessary. I don’t think they have any chance of being able to afford Bobby Wagner, so who is an alternative?

We’ve identified that the Seahawks also place a lot of emphasis on the short shuttle at linebacker. Cole Holcomb ran a fantastic 4.14 shuttle at his combine — plus a 4.51 forty. He has been hailed in Washington for his leadership and performance and he only turns 27 in July. His stock might be impacted slightly by an injury-hit 2022 season where a foot injury meant he didn’t play after week seven.

He could be a cheap, physical, fast linebacker who can come in and carve out a role on a one-year prove-it deal.

So this is how free agency shapes out in this projection:

— Garrett Bradbury or Jake Brendel
— A’Shawn Robinson (assuming Zach Allen & John Cominsky aren’t available)
— Cole Holcomb

Onto the draft.

Character is the key

It’s hardly a revelation that teams want ‘good character’ players. However, John Schneider and Pete Carroll keep ramming home the point when they talk about the draft.

Schneider has taken a couple of opportunities to talk about how important that was a year ago. We noted on Friday that the radio host who does a weekly show with Seattle’s GM dropped a nugget of information, claiming the Seahawks had no interest in Kayvon Thibodeaux (who concerned teams about his non-stop talking about his personal brand).

Today, Phil Simms asked Carroll about Seattle’s priorities this off-season. He immediately brought up the same thing Schneider has been talking about. Last year they placed a big emphasis on high-character players and had a good draft. Now, they want to repeat that:

“We want to keep adding competitive guys who are really over the top that way. We hit it with the height-weight-speed with Tariq Woolen but we found out he was a terrific competitor too. We want to keep adding to it because the guys who came through this year for us in this last year’s draft all have great make-up. They have confidence in themselves, the willingness to say, ‘Ok I don’t know everything but I’m going to dig in and fight and claw and scratch and hang with it’. And we were rewarded with a great class last year. It’s the make-up of the kids that’s so important. I want to stay with that and really make sure that’s at the very source of what we’re doing in this process.”

This is more than token chatter from a GM and Head Coach trying their best not to give anything away. They keep referring back to the last draft. We can all see the players they selected had a similar type of personality. No risks were taken, no compromises made. That’s why Thibodeaux was of no interest.

When I listen to the words they’re using, this is what I think. Players like Will Anderson, Will Levis, C.J. Stroud and Bryce Young fit the bill at #5. I don’t know enough about Tyree Wilson or Anthony Richardson to add them to that list — but I haven’t seen anything negative. At #20 I’d suspect players like Josh Downs and Michael Mayer are the types of high-character talent that will interest them. Hendon Hooker is another big-time character guy, so is Nolan Smith and Ji’Ayir Brown.

On the other side of the equation — I cannot imagine they’ll have much interest (if any at all) in Jalen Carter. There are too many question marks about his maturity. Jaelyn Duncan might be a hard sell unless he lasts deep into the draft and becomes too much of a value pick. I doubt they’ll have much interest in Rashee Rice.

There are other players I can mention in both categories but you get the point.

This is going to be a huge part of Seattle’s 2023 class. They feel like the attitude and maturity of the players they selected a year ago helped them have a great draft. They are going to build on that and this will likely be a risk-free process once again.

In doing a seven round mock — I’m going to put a big emphasis on character and leadership.

#5 (R1) — Will Levis (QB, Kentucky)
If John Schneider sees a quarterback he likes — and if that player is available at #5 — he will probably take him. Even if Geno Smith is re-signed. This is a rare opportunity. A first top-five pick since Schneider became GM. So why Levis? Schneider loves traits at the position. From Charlie Whitehurst to Patrick Mahomes to Josh Allen and Drew Lock. All are big, strong, downfield throwers with plus athleticism. Even Russell Wilson fits the bill, just in a smaller frame. Levis has the physical tools Schneider craves. We also know the Seahawks are placing a strong emphasis on character. Levis is 10/10 in this regard. I’ve interviewed him personally and have spoken to people about him. He is beloved. He lives in the gym, he gave everything to UK despite the situation he faced in 2022 and he will impress teams with his intelligence and attitude. Finally, he played for Liam Coen in 2021 and has the inside track on Seattle’s scheme. If Levis lasts to #5, I think there’s a very good chance the Seahawks will take him — either to start or compete with Geno Smith. Once he’s performed at the combine, the narrative will change on Levis — to what he can be, not how he wasn’t a mistake-free dynamo in a thankless task of a situation in Kentucky. He has special physical qualities. If Levis is gone, I think they’ll strongly consider one of the other top-four QB’s in this spot.

#20 (R1) — Will McDonald (EDGE, Iowa State)
With so many high picks this year, the Seahawks can afford to take a quarterback at #5 and still get a defensive player they really like at #20. McDonald looks exactly like a Seahawks pass rusher. He’s lean and long with explosive qualities. He can bend and straighten like the best in the league and he set the sack record at Iowa State. There’s a flash of star quality with McDonald as we saw at the Senior Bowl. He’s expected to test brilliantly in all the key areas at his position — 10-yard split, vertical and broad jump, short shuttle. He could be added to the rotation and he’s a great fit for the defensive scheme. The only concern might be that his stock moves way up after the combine.

#38 (R2) — Josh Downs (WR, North Carolina)
I have a hunch that Downs could end up being a ‘must have’ player for the Seahawks. Again, Carroll and Schneider have talked about a big emphasis on character. Downs already speaks like a seasoned veteran. He has NFL bloodlines through his dad, who’s also a coach. His uncle is Dre Bly. He speaks and carries himself like a pro and has a level of maturity that will likely appeal to the Seahawks. There’s talk he could run in the 4.3’s so you might have to think about him in round one. Then there’s his style of player — which is eerily similar to Tyler Lockett. He high-points the ball superbly for his size, can make big plays downfield and his short-area quickness creates ample separation on shorter routes. He’s very difficult to cover and very competitive. They were aggressive in trading up for Lockett and D.K. Metcalf. I wonder if they’ll go for the hat-trick and move up for Downs, who just plays and acts like a Seahawk.

#53 (R2) — Byron Young (DE, Alabama)
I think this would be a perfect fit, although I’m eager to see how he tests. For this position — a big, 290lbs 3-4 DE — you’re looking for a good short shuttle at his size. Explosive traits aren’t necessarily a factor. I hope he fits the bill because there’s so much to like with Young. Firstly, he’s another high-character player. He’s a big-time leader at Alabama and would immediately add another serious, mature player to Seattle’s defensive front. He’s strong and powerful at the point of attack. He shoots gaps and creates consistent disruption, showing surprising quickness at times. Perhaps most importantly for Seattle’s scheme, he’s adept at read/react and responding to the play-call. He might not be the second coming of Cameron Heyward but there’s a chance he’ll be able to start quickly, perform consistently and do an important job to help protect the second level and allow the edge rushers and linebackers to excel. He was an unheralded but vital player at Alabama in 2022. Young is the type who won’t get people leaping out of their seats on draft day — but really, in terms of solidifying the defensive front, he’s what they need. He could be the 2023 answer to Damien Lewis — a top SEC performer flying under the radar, who should go in this range but maybe lasts to the early third round. They might be able to trade down a few spots and still get him.

#84 (R3) — Cameron Young (DT, Mississippi State)
This is the kind of range where the Seahawks have traditionally targeted defensive tackle help. They still view length as a vital component and Young’s arms were measured at 35 inches at the Senior Bowl. He has terrific size at 6-3 and 304lbs and he shone in Mobile — driving blockers into the backfield and using his long arms and power to his advantage. I think there’s untapped potential here and again — I hope his shuttle time is good enough in Indianapolis to justify the projection. It might not get the pulses racing if the Seahawks try to fix their D-line with A’Shawn Robinson, Will McDonald, Byron Young and Cameron Young (while cutting Jefferson & Mone and retaining Woods/Harris) but I think you’d be adding sparkle off the edge and toughness and size inside.

#124 (R4) — Daiyan Henley (LB, Washington State)
Having added to the defensive front, now it’s time to add a linebacker. Henley could go a round earlier than this if he tests well. Certainly the way he covered in 1v1 drills at the Senior Bowl will have teams very intrigued. Even so, we’ve seen plenty of athletic linebackers last into the top-end of day three and that’s possible for Henley. To interest the Seahawks he’ll either need to prove he has plus athleticism overall (forty, explosive testing) or he’ll need a great shuttle time. If they wanted to try and add a running back here instead — Roschon Johnson has the size, speed and special teams value that could really appeal to Seattle. It’s a deep class though and there are plenty of alternatives.

#154 (R5) — Nick Broeker (G, Ole Miss)
I really liked what he showed on tape — he’s highly competitive, loves to get to the second level and when he gets his hands in the right position he can lock on and finish. He switched from tackle to guard at Ole Miss and I thought he played well in the Senior Bowl game, combining with Nick Saldiveri to create running lanes. The Seahawks have bought into the Rams’ blocking scheme and with these two picks in round five, I have them doubling up to bring in depth and competition for the interior. They could try Broeker at center or guard.

#157 (R5) — Ryan Hayes (G, Michigan)
He had a hit-and-miss time at the Senior Bowl but the reason I’m pairing him with the Seahawks is because it’s the type of pick the Rams make for their offensive line. Within this scheme, they have consistently added college tackles and kicked them inside. They did it with David Edwards and more recently with Logan Bruss (two other Big-10 tackles). Hayes was the left tackle for a Michigan O-line that won back-to-back Joe Moore Awards. He’s also good on the move, getting into space and latching onto targets. He’s a fit in that regard and it’ll be interesting to see if the Seahawks begin to transition their guards to fit what the Rams do in the same blocking scheme.

#199 (R6) — Larry Brooks (S, Tulane)
I just love the way Brooks plays — his intensity, his hitting, the way he carries that #31 on his back. This is the range where you look for special teamers and Brooks has the kind of approach that lends itself to fitting in that role. He hasn’t been invited to the combine but he’s someone who could still be drafted in the later rounds.

Final thoughts

I genuinely wish they had more money to spend in free agency. It’s not even because I want them to go out and land a big fish like Javon Hargrave. It’d just be better to think they can easily go and compete for a Zach Allen, add multiple defensive linemen at a good age, truly improve that area of the team and feel good about it.

I wish they could do what the Bengals did a couple of years ago and set out to sign a duo like D.J. Reader and Trey Hendrickson to super-charge the D-line.

Instead, in going through this exercise, you realise how limited they are. It’s going to be incredibly difficult to improve this roster in free agency. Yet when the Russell Wilson trade was announced, one of the big positives was the cap saving for 2023.

That benefit has evaporated and it’s hard to say $49.3m of your cap being used on Jamal Adams, Quandre Diggs, Will Dissly and Phil Haynes is value for money.

Still, this is the situation they’re left with. I think the projection above is realistic even if you disagree with it.

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The ultimate Seahawks combine preview 2023

Introduction

This is a very different draft class at the top of the board compared to a year ago. You won’t find a left tackle worthy of a top-10 grade, a year after three were taken in that range. We could see four quarterbacks selected in the top-10 — a stark contrast to last year where just one signal caller was taken in the first two rounds.

There’s depth at running back, defensive end and cornerback — but it’s top-heavy at quarterback and tight end. It’s also light at defensive tackle and safety.

Several players are expected to test brilliantly — including defensive tackle Mazi Smith, receiver Quentin Johnston, tight end Luke Musgrave, defensive lineman Adetomiwa Adebawore and pass rusher Will McDonald.

The top quarterbacks could make headlines — with Anthony Richardson and Will Levis having the kind of arm strength that will have scouts salivating. Both are set to throw and so will C.J. Stroud. Bryce Young will not throw at the combine.

It’s been revealed that Jalen Carter is opting not to do any workouts or drills and neither will Tyree Wilson. Will Anderson is going to do some of the on-field drills but is being made to work with the linebackers.

Travon Walker had an excellent combine last year and was able to propel himself to the #1 overall pick. I’m not sure anyone will repeat that but as with the 2022 class — a lack of obvious blue-chippers will present several players with a big opportunity in Indianapolis.

Changes to the combine

Last year was a shambles and an embarrassment to the NFL.

By opting to move the bench press to the same day as on-field drills, barely anyone participated in it.

The never-ending desire to make even more money also saw the retention of ‘prime-time’ coverage. This meant players were doing drills late into the evening. By the time they’d finished, most skipped the three cone and short shuttle because they were being asked to do it at 9-10pm.

Thankfully there are changes this year but you can easily argue they don’t go far enough.

The bench press is being moved and will once again take place on a separate day to on-field drills. However, it now occurs on the final day of the event for each participant. Previously, it used to take place on the day before drills. I’m not convinced many players will bother to stick around for it, especially those who excel in the testing and feel like they’ve done enough to improve their stock.

Timings have also changed. Last year, the Thursday, Friday and Saturday workouts all began at 4pm ET. Now, the Thursday and Friday sessions begin an hour earlier at 3pm and the Saturday and Sunday workouts start at 1pm.

This is useful because the earlier start time will hopefully encourage players to do the agility testing. Certainly there’s little excuse for the Saturday and Sunday participants not to do the short shuttle and three cone.

I wish all the testing began at 1pm though. The NFL has already tainted its own product by introducing a pointless 17th game and a seventh playoff seed. The need to get every last cent out of the scouting combine — an event that should simply be an information gathering exercise for teams — is the ultimate face-palm.

The order of testing has changed. The D-liners and linebackers will kick things off, followed by the defensive backs. This is a reversal of previous years, where the offensive players began the event.

One other thing to mention is it’s being suggested the league will trial the use of body scans this year for measurements. The hope is that by 2024, they’ll no longer have to measure arm length and hand size in the traditional, manual way — producing a more consistent, accurate result.

Workout schedule

» Thursday 2nd March (3-8pm ET): defensive linemen and linebackers
» Friday 3rd March (3-8pm ET): defensive backs, special teams
» Saturday 6th March (1-8pm ET): tight ends, quarterbacks, wide receivers
» Sunday 7th March (1-7pm ET): offensive linemen, running backs

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Here is how I have graded scouted players going into the combine.

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Groups 1-3: DT, DE & LB

Arrival: Sunday 26th February
Team interviews: Monday 27th February
General medical exam: Tuesday 28th February
Media & NFLPA meeting: Wednesday 1st March
Measurements, on-field drills: Thursday 2nd March
Bench press & broadcast interviews: Friday 3rd March

Michigan’s Mazi Smith is expected to be a top performer at the combine

Defensive tackle
None of Seattle’s previous defensive tackle picks have been explosive testers, with an average vertical jump of 26.8 inches among the group. The short shuttle appears to be more important. Seattle has used third round picks on the following:

Naz Jones — 4.63 ss
Jaye Howard — 4.47 ss
Jordan Hill — 4.55 ss

As you can see, all three recorded fantastic shuttles for their size.

They also drafted Pep Livingston in round seven (4.62). Jarran Reed, their highest pick at defensive tackle (round two, 2016) ran a 4.75 which is decent enough given he was seen as a stout anchor for the interior, rather than a dynamic athlete.

Of the eight defensive tackles drafted, six had +33 inch arms. Clint Hurtt spoke about the importance of length at the position during the season. The 33-inch threshold has been important for Seattle and is likely to be a key consideration again.

They have drafted two defensive tackles with sub-33 inch arms but they were Demarcus Christmas and Jesse Williams — two later round picks. Both were well known college players who dropped in the draft (Williams for health reasons, Christmas for poor testing). Both performed badly in the agility testing but ran surprisingly well — Williams recording a 4.92 forty and Christmas a 5.08.

I think it suggests that when there’s a chance to be opportunistic later on, they are prepared to overlook a lack of length. Otherwise it has been a priority.

Key tests
Short Shuttle, Three-cone, 10-yard split, Forty

Ideal size
+6-2, 300-310lbs, +33 inch arms, 4.50-4.65 ss

Positional assessment
This is not a deep DT class but there are some options. Jalen Carter is the headline act at the top of the board but there are legitimate concerns about his maturity and conditioning. It’s now being reported he won’t do any testing at the combine. I can’t imagine this will be well received by teams, with maturity concerns and a feeling that he more or less did what he wanted at Georgia. Calijah Kancey and Mazi Smith are expected to have short arms — perhaps too short for Seattle — but both players are expected to make a star-turn in Indianapolis and be among the best testers at any position. It’ll be interesting to see how Keeanu Benton, Cameron Young and Zacch Pickens perform after playing well at the Senior Bowl. Bryan Bresee, who was too inconsistent at Clemson and missed a lot of games over the last two years, will hope to enhance his stock. He could be one of the top-testers because he’s naturally a fantastic athlete. Keep an eye on his arm length though.

Interesting note
This hasn’t traditionally been a position the Seahawks have invested high stock in. When they took Jarran Reed with the 46th pick in 2016, they traded up using a fourth rounder. Afterwards John Schneider admitted they considered taking Reed with their first round pick (used on Germain Ifedi) and thought the value was too good. Need could heavily influence their decision making in 2023 but typically they have preferred to target the defensive tackle position in the mid-to-late rounds

Best drills to watch
I like to watch the swim/rip drills for defensive tackles. I also like to watch how they get in-and-out of the bags with their footwork and how they punch and move. Who plays with violence, even in this setting?

Five names to watch
Calijah Kancey, Mazi Smith, Zacch Pickens, Keeanu Benton, Moro Ojomo

Potential standout
It has to be Mazi Smith. He was named #1 on Bruce Feldman’s ‘freaks’ list for 2022. He can reportedly run a 4.41 short shuttle at around 337lbs, plus a 6.95 three cone. He’s also explosive — jumping a 9-5 broad and a 33-inch vertical. He might not be Jordan Davis a year ago running the forty but he should still make headlines.

Importance to the Seahawks?
It’s a huge need. Seattle’s defensive line hasn’t been good enough for too long. They need impact disruptors and players who can do a better job clogging lanes against the run. This is likely a position they’ll be watching very closely.

Adetomiwa Adebawore shone at the Senior Bowl and is expected to produce a great workout

Inside/out rushers or 5-techniques
This has typically been a position where the Seahawks have sought difference-making athletes in the draft. The most obvious example of this is Malik McDowell, who they took with their top selection in 2017. At 6-6 and 295lbs he had outstanding length (35-inch arms), agility (4.53 short shuttle) and great speed for his size (4.85 forty plus a 1.69 10-yard split). His explosive testing, however, was relatively poor (28.5-inch vertical) — perhaps further highlighting that explosive traits haven’t been that important to the Seahawks for defensive linemen.

A year later they took Rasheem Green. At 6-4 and 275lbs he also had good length (34-inch arms), great agility (4.39 short shuttle) plus a strong performance in the sprints (4.73 forty, 1.65 10-yard split). Before drafting McDowell or Green, they selected Quinton Jefferson in 2016. At 291lbs he ran a 4.37 short shuttle plus a 4.95 forty with a 1.69 10-yard split.

Given they re-signed Jefferson a year ago to play in their adjusted defensive system, it seems like the profile of these players still matches what they’re looking. Although they certainly need to add at defensive tackle — typically the 3-4 teams have big-bodied five-techniques flanking a nose tackle.

They used a first round pick on L.J. Collier to try and fill this position in 2019. That pick is interesting for two reasons. Firstly — he was a departure from their athletic preferences. He ran a mediocre 4.91 forty and a 4.78 short shuttle. Collier was explosive (30 inch vertical, 9-10 broad jump) and impressed at the Senior Bowl but that’s not typically what they’ve gone for. Secondly — it reinforced, after McDowell, they’re willing to spend a high pick on this position.

The fact that Collier appeared so limited in the NFL could steer them back towards athletes. I suspect the pick was an over-correction from the McDowell situation. Collier was fiery and intense, passionate and seen as an over-achiever at TCU. In the end he just wasn’t good enough. Character clearly still matters though — as we keep hearing from John Schneider. I’m just not sure they’ll spend a high pick on another Collier type. I suspect any prospective pick will need to be a good athlete and have high character.

Key tests
Short Shuttle, Forty, 10-yard split

Ideal size
DL — +6-2, 275-295lbs, +33 inch arms, 4.35-4.50 ss

Positional assessment
There aren’t a lot of options and the players who typically fit the bill are going to go quite early. Keion White is being talked about as a solid first round pick and with a good combine he could confirm that status. He was ranked 20th on Bruce Feldman’s freak list, so a good showing is expected. He’s likely to be out-performed by Adetomiwa Adebawore, however. The Northwestern athlete, who lit up the Senior Bowl, is going to be one of the top-testers. More on that in a bit. Lukas Van Ness is seen by a lot of people as a first round pick despite the fact he didn’t start at Iowa. Tuli Tuipulotu made a lot of splash plays for USC but how he measures and tests will be crucial given his stocky, shorter frame. Personally I’m a big fan of Alabama’s Byron Young and hope that he can perform well enough to back-up what he shows on tape. It’s also worth noting that Young is an all-star when it comes to character.

Interesting note
The Seahawks have selected a defensive lineman with one of their first two picks in seven of the last eight drafts (Boye Mafe, Darrell Taylor, L.J. Collier, Rasheem Green, Malik McDowell, Jarran Reed, Frank Clark). With a strong D-line need this year, the chances are they’ll do it again in 2023.

Best drills to watch
The two I’ll be watching closely is the figure of eight (where a player has to run around two hoops, picking an object up within the first hoop and placing it down in the second) plus the test where they have to run between a line of bags, slapping two away and spinning past one, before rounding a final bag and finishing. These drills show off change-of direction, ankle-flexion, power and quickness.

Five names to watch
Adetomiwa Adebawore, Keion White, Byron Young (ALA), Lukas Van Ness, Tuli Tuipulotu

Potential standout
Despite being 285lbs, Adetomiwa Adebawore is expected to run a 4.05 short shuttle and a 6.90 three-cone. He’s also expected to jump a 10-5 broad and a 37.5-inch vertical. These would be special times for a man his size. You can watch my interview with Adebawore by clicking here.

Importance to the Seahawks?
This might be an even bigger need than defensive tackle. They have a big, stout nose tackle type in Al Woods and he had a good season in 2022. What they need are players who are in the 290lbs range and can play the run but still provide a level of disruption. If one of these players runs a great short shuttle and has the necessary length/size — they could become a big target for the Seahawks.

Will McDonald looks and plays like a Seahawks’ pass rusher

Edge rushers
Twitch seems to be the name of the game here — with a long, lean frame also a preference. The Seahawks have drafted four edge rushers in the first two rounds. Darrell Taylor couldn’t test due to injury — but we can well imagine he would be in a similar range to the names I’m about to bring up.

Bruce Irvin ran a 4.50 forty with a 10-yard split of 1.55. He added a short shuttle of 4.03. Frank Clark ran a 4.68 forty with a 1.58 10-yard split and a 4.05 short shuttle. Boye Mafe didn’t run a shuttle a year ago but he did run a 4.53 with a 1.56 10-yard split. All three players were explosive too — Irvin jumped a 33.5-inch vertical, Clark had a 38.5-inch jump and Mafe was close behind with a 38-inch vertical.

What we need to look out for are splits in the 1.5’s, a top-tier short shuttle in the 4.0’s or 4.1’s and explosive testing in the vertical/broad jumps.

A 10-yard split in the 1.5’s is considered elite. A reminder that Cliff Avril famously ran a 1.50. If you’re running a short shuttle in the 4.00’s with the size of an EDGE or defensive end, that is remarkable.

Even Seattle’s later round picks all performed relatively well in the shuttle. Cassius Marsh (4.25), Obum Gwacham (4.28) and Alton Robinson (4.32) all excelled.

Is arm length as much of a consideration now that the Seahawks are using 3-4 concepts? Possibly not. Mafe measured a shade under the 33-inch threshold, as did Tyreke Smith. Alton Robinson also had 32 3/8 inch arms. I still think great length will be coveted (it always is, by every team) but any prospective EDGE target with 32 inch arms perhaps doesn’t need to be immediately written-off as a potential Seahawk.

Key tests
Vertical, Broad, Short Shuttle, Forty, 10-yard split

Ideal size
6-4, 250lbs, +33 inch arms, 1.50-1.59 10-yard split, +35-inch vertical

Positional assessment
It’s a thick EDGE class with high picks and attractive mid-round options to follow. Will Anderson and Tyree Wilson are being tipped to go very early. They’re making Anderson work out with the linebackers but I’m still including him in this section of the preview. Wilson will not perform drills at the combine as he continues to recover from injury. Personally I think Myles Murphy is overrated but it won’t be a surprise if he creates buzz around his combine performance. Will McDonald will be one of the stars in Indianapolis and could chuck himself into the top-20 mix. K.J. Henry, Zach Harrison, Andre Carter, Dylan Horton and Tyrus Wheat are also very impressive athletes. I could name more — this is one of the deepest positions in the 2023 draft.

Interesting note
As far as I can tell, only three pass rushers ran a 1.5 10-yard split a year ago. Mafe was one of them, plus Kayvon Thibodeaux and Amaré Barno. Let’s hope for a better set of results this year.

Best drill to watch
Given the way Seattle’s defensive scheme has pivoted, we need to spend more time watching how the pass rushers work in space in the linebacker drills at the end of each session. On top of that — generally the edge rusher drills are a box-office performance by the most explosive athletes in college football. So just sit back and enjoy.

Five names to watch
Will Anderson, Will McDonald, K.J. Henry, Myles Murphy, B.J. Ojulari

Potential standout
There are a few who are expected to test brilliantly but I’m going for Will McDonald. He has the ‘preying mantis’ frame that Pete Carroll tends to like. Ranked fifth on Bruce Feldman’s ‘freaks’ list, he can reportedly do backflips standing still and has been filmed jumping over cars. He’s being tipped to jump a 43-inch vertical and an 11-0 broad. He showed great bend and quickness at the Senior Bowl so strong testing results in the 10-yard split and short shuttle are also expected.

Importance to the Seahawks?
It’s hard to say. Clearly they need to keep improving their pass rush but they already have Darrell Taylor, Uchenna Nwosu and Boye Mafe under contract. Having a rotation is necessary but how many high picks are you inserting into a rotational role? They might lean on the depth here and focus on other positions early — unless they simply see the first round value to be too good (and that’s entirely possible given the status of Will Anderson and Tyree Wilson plus the fit of Will McDonald).

Drew Sanders plays with aggression and he’s a useful pass rusher

Linebackers
The Seahawks tend to look for two types of player at linebacker — freakish athletes and players with great short-area quickness and agility.

Shaquem Griffin ran a blistering 4.38 forty. Kevin Pierre-Louis, Korey Toomer, Malcolm Smith and Eric Pinkins all ran excellent times (in the 4.44-4.51 range). Jordyn Brooks ran a 4.54. Bobby Wagner was a 4.4 runner at his pro-day.

Pierre-Louis, Smith and Pinkins all jumped +39 inches in the vertical. Wagner jumped a 39.5-inch vertical.

They’ve also speficially targeted top-testers in the short shuttle. Here are the top-15 short shuttle times run by a linebacker since 2010:

Jordan Tripp — 3.96
Nick Bellore — 4.00

Ben Heeney — 4.00
Mike Mohamed — 4.00
Nick Vigil — 4.00
Kevin Pierre-Louis — 4.02
Stephone Anthony — 4.03
Cody Barton — 4.03
Dakota Allen — 4.03
Von Miller — 4.06
Josh Hull — 4.07
Dorian O’Daniel — 4.07
Avery Williamson — 4.07
Shaq Thompson — 4.08
Ben Burr-Kirven — 4.09

The players in bold have been either drafted or signed by the Seahawks during the Pete Carroll era. A third of the players.

Admittedly, Nick Bellore was signed as a full back. Even so, this isn’t a coincidence. It’s something I wrote about originally six years ago.

If there’s a linebacker who runs an exceptional short shuttle, there’s a decent chance he will be on Seattle’s radar.

Key tests
Forty yard dash, short shuttle, vertical, broad, three cone

Ideal size
+6-0, 230-240lbs, 4.4-4.5 forty, 6.70 three-cone, +10’ broad, 4.00-4.20 short shuttle

Positional assessment
This is not a good linebacker class. Arkansas’ Drew Sanders looks destined to be the first taken and if he tests well, could cement a place in the top-20. After that, you have players with questionable tape or size (Trenton Simpson, Nolan Smith) who are expected to be brilliant testers. There’s also a collection of ‘solid/meh’ college linebackers, some of which are overrated, who aren’t expected to test well (Ventrell Miller, Henry To’oto’o, Jack Campbell, Noah Sewell, DeMarvion Overshown). I’m intrigued to see how Daiyan Henley gets on and Auburn’s Owen Pappoe could be the standout performer at the combine. Overall though there’s a distinct lack of quality.

Interesting note
For years the Seahawks had Bobby Wagner and KJ Wright take virtually all of the defensive snaps. Wagner tallied 99.35% of the snaps in 2016, 93.08% in 2017, 93.34% in 2018, 98.32% in 2019 and 99.13% in 2020. That dropped to 89.1% in 2021 before he was cut. Jordyn Brooks has played 87.4% and 88.67% of the snaps in the last two seasons. Cody Barton played 77.42% of the time in 2022. I’m not sure if this indicative of anything but the Seahawks seem to be trying to avoid giving two players such an extensive workload these days. Or maybe Wagner and Wright were too good to take off the field?

Best drill to watch
Due to the importance of the short shuttle — look how the players work in space, backpedal and read/react. Quickness and change of direction is vital at linebacker.

Five names to watch
Drew Sanders, Nolan Smith, Trenton Simpson, Owen Pappoe, Daiyan Henley

Potential standout
Nicknamed ‘the freak’ — Owen Pappoe is reportedly capable of running in the 4.3’s. Even if he doesn’t top that mark, expect a big show. If only his tape at Auburn was as impressive as his athleticism. Honourable mentions go to Trenton Simpson who is also being tipped to run in the 4.3’s (and although his tape isn’t as bad as Pappoe’s — he still had a poor year in 2022). Meanwhile Nolan Smith was a SPARQ superstar in High School. If he’s healthy enough to test, watch out.

Importance to the Seahawks?
The injury to Jordyn Brooks means they have to do something. I’m just not sure how much investment they want to make at linebacker. A year ago they cut Bobby Wagner to save $16.6m and then didn’t replace him. They simply rolled with Brooks and Cody Barton. There wasn’t even any serious competition added for camp. With Barton a free agent, they need to add a body. Unless they’re enamoured with someone like Drew Sanders it might be a position they address in the mid-to-late rounds. If nobody tests to their satisfaction in that range, they might go the cheap veteran route. Are they willing to take a great athlete early, full of potential, with disappointing tape? If so, that could bring Trenton Simpson into play but he’s more athlete than football player currently. Sanders does play with a fiery intensity that Seattle’s second level misses at times.

Groups 4-6: cornerback, safety & special teams

Arrival: Monday 27th February
Team interviews: Tuesday 28th February
General medical exam: Wednesday 1st March
Media & NFLPA meeting: Thursday 2nd March
Measurements, on-field drills: Friday 3rd March
Bench press & broadcast interviews: Saturday 4th March

Julius Brents has promised to surprise people at the combine

Cornerbacks
For years everyone knew what the Seahawks liked in a corner. You had to have 32 inch arms. You had to be long and lean. Then, in 2021 — things changed. They drafted Tre Brown in round four. He was small (5-10, 186lbs) and had 30 3/8 inch arms. Carroll and Schneider talked about changing their approach, after experiencing the success of D.J. Reed before he joined the New York Jets in free agency.

However, just as we were all adapting to a brave new world, the Seahawks found their ideal cornerback with prototype size in Tariq Woolen.

Granted, they also took Coby Bryant with his 30 5⁄8-inch arms in the fourth round. Will the success of Woolen steer them back towards a desire for length and size? There are certainly players in this class who fit the bill — and some are great athletes too.

We noted a year ago that Clint Hurtt talked about utilising man-coverage. A more pressing question these days should be ‘how are your skills in man-coverage’ rather than ‘how long are your arms?’.

As long and lean as Woolen is, he’s also lightning quick. He ran a 4.26 forty. Bryant wasn’t especially slow either, running a 4.48.

Slower cornerbacks are better suited to zone, quicker cornerbacks are typically targeted to play man. You’re often facing 1v1 challenges where you have to sprint great distances, matching the receiver. You need good recovery speed. Size isn’t as important and physicality is just a bonus.

So while the long cornerbacks will likely remain attractive — keep a closer eye on the forty yard dash and which cornerbacks have fluidity, suddenness, smooth hips and an ability to change direction easily during drills.

It is also worth stressing that the Bryant and Woolen picks were day three selections. Carroll/Schneider still haven’t taken a corner any higher than the very end of round three (Shaquill Griffin). The approach in terms of arm length might be adapting but there’s no new evidence that they’re more likely to draft a cornerback early.

Key tests
Forty, Vertical

Ideal size
+5-10, 195lbs, +32-inch arms, 4.30-40 forty, +35-inch vertical

Positional assessment
It’s a deep cornerback class. There isn’t a clear top-10 pick but there are players who could work into that range if they test well, such as Oregon’s Christian Gonzalez (and he is expected to test well). We could see a cluster of players taken in the top-40, due to the importance of the position. I think we’ll see relative depth stretching into round four and there’s a chance the combine will unearth some hidden gems.

Interesting note
The Seahawks drafting two cornerbacks last year was actually a welcome return. In the four prior drafts, they’d only drafted one player at the position. For a team with a good history of developing cornerbacks, it was quite a surprising run. Their work with Woolen and the way they turned D.J. Reed and Michael Jackson into useful players is encouraging for the future. If you’re a cornerback expected to be taken after round three, you probably want to be drafted by Seattle.

Best drill to watch
The backpedal drill. Watch to see how the cornerbacks transition and whether it looks effortless. Do they have loose hips and do they explode out of their breaks? Is the footwork smooth or clunky? Are they laboured in any way or do they look natural?

Five names to watch
Christian Gonzalez, Devon Witherspoon, Kelee Ringo, D.J. Turner, Julius Brents

Potential standout
Christian Gonzalez will excel and big things are expected of Kelee Ringo and D.J. Turner. I’m going to suggest Julius Brents, however. He’s expected to test brilliantly in the vertical jumps and he looked quick and smooth at the Senior Bowl. When I interviewed him recently he said he’s going to surprise people at the combine. He’s my one to watch — especially as he’d look very good across from Tariq Woolen.

Importance to the Seahawks?
Michael Jackson is an exclusive-rights free agent so he’ll likely be back. With Woolen, Bryant and Brown under contract they have some depth. However, there’s at least room for a couple more names to be added. Perhaps they’ll add one later in the draft and look to sign a cheap veteran in the Artie Burns mould?

Ji’Ayir Brown — the emotional voice of the Penn State defense

Safeties
After hitting on Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor in 2010, Seattle hasn’t had much success at the safety position. Ryan Murphy, Winston Guy, Mark LeGree, Tedric Thompson, Delano Hill and Marquise Blair have come and gone. The less said about the Jamal Adams trade the better.

Thankfully, the Quandre Diggs trade worked out — although whether he’s worth the $18m cap hit he’s going to receive in 2022 is a question mark (especially with finances tight). Ryan Neal has been an absolute steal and has developed into the kind of tone-setting, vocal player Seattle craves. He’ll surely be kept as a restricted free agent. Hopefully in the future the Seahawks will focus more on the Neal-style bargains instead of trading first round picks or spending $36m on two safeties.

For what it’s worth — Neal ran a 4.47 forty and a 4.29 short shuttle, while jumping a 37.5 inch vertical and a 10-7 broad at his pro-day. He was undrafted and spent time with the Eagles and Falcons before joining the Seahawks.

There’s a real mix of physical profiles in the players they’ve taken, making safety one of the tougher positions to project. It’s hard to describe a Seahawks ‘type’ physically. The only safety they’ve drafted in the first round (Earl Thomas) was a tremendous athlete. He ran a 4.37 at his pro-day after pulling a hamstring running the forty at the combine (while still managing an official 4.49). Blair, their next highest pick at the position, was also athletic and hit like a sledgehammer.

It’s a bit basic to describe it this way but you might be best served looking for playmakers and hitters. Thomas and Thompson both had a lot of picks. Chancellor, Guy and Blair loved to hit.

This might be a position where physical ideals take a back-seat to production or attitude/impact.

Key drills
Forty yard dash, short shuttle, vertical

Ideal size
+6-0, 200-220lbs, 4.4 forty, +39-inch vertical, +10-5 broad jump

Positional assessment
College football isn’t churning out a lot of quality players at the position and it’s another light year. There are certainly players to like — but once they’re gone, there’s not a lot to get excited about. Brian Branch is a Rolls Royce and should find a home within the top-20. J.L. Skinner shares some of Kam Chancellor’s qualities as a hitter with great size. Sadly it’s been announced he tore a pec in training on Friday and will now miss the combine. Ji’Ayir Brown has a knack for interceptions and is well regarded as the high-character, vocal leader of Penn State’s defense. Christopher Smith had a good year for Georgia and has great range and hits well for his size. Sydney Brown is a big-time athlete. I also think there are some slightly overrated players — including Antonio Johnson, DeMarcco Hellams and Jordan Battle. Later round guys I like include John Torchio, Larry Brooks and Hunter Reynolds — but none were invited to the combine.

Interesting note
Both Earl Thomas and Tedric Thompson had a lot of interceptions in their final college seasons and both were drafted to play free safety. Thomas had eight picks for Texas in 2009, Thompson had seven for Colorado in 2016. Ji’ayir Brown had 10 interceptions in his final two years at Penn State and is the closest thing to Thomas and Thompson in terms of production. This combined with his vaunted character means Brown is one to watch.

Best drill to watch
Any of the drills requiring the safeties to close in space and show off their open-field quickness and range. I also like the ‘W’ drill for this position.

Five names to watch
Brian Branch, Ji’Ayir Brown, Christopher Smith, Sydney Brown, Jammie Robinson

Potential standout
Brian Branch and Ji’Ayir Brown are both expected to test very well but the name to mention here is Sydney Brown. Ranked joint 33rd on Bruce Feldman’s ‘freaks’ list with brother Chase, he looked in fantastic shape at the Senior Bowl and has registered a top-speed of 22.4mph during a game. Expect a big workout from the Brown brothers in Indianapolis.

Importance to the Seahawks?
You can look at this two ways. Firstly, is some long-term planning required? Quandre Diggs is 30 and there’s an easy out on his contract next year. The team has control of Ryan Neal for only one more season. Who knows what the future holds for Jamal Adams? Drafting someone now could set-up a transition. However, they’ve already committed $36m to Diggs and Adams and will retain Neal via a tender (second round?). How much more are you prepared to invest when there are needs elsewhere to address?

Groups 7-9: QB, WR, TE

Arrival: Tuesday 28th February
Team interviews: Wednesday 1st March
General medical exam: Thursday 2nd March
Media & NFLPA meeting: Friday 3rd March
Measurements, on-field drills: Saturday 4th March
Bench press & broadcast interviews: Sunday 5th March

Will Levis has the kind of tools John Schneider likes

Quarterbacks

It’s been a long time since I’ve had to write anything in this section. The Russell Wilson trade was still being laughed-off at the 2022 combine, as a deal was being struck between the Seahawks and Broncos behind the scenes.

Many fans get angry when you mention the position as a need for the Seahawks, following Geno Smith’s surprisingly productive 2022 season. The fact is whether Smith re-signs or not, it’s still entirely possible the Seahawks select a quarterback with the fifth overall pick, or at some stage in this draft.

I don’t want to go over too much old ground here but it comes down to this, purely and simply. If John Schneider sees a quarterback he really likes — and if that player is available at #5 — the chances are he’s going to draft him. The Seahawks have never owned a pick in the top-five during the Carroll/Schneider era. This is a rare opportunity. If Schneider sees a QB he loves, he will take him — with or without Geno on the roster.

Schneider has a duty to think about the long term health of the franchise. His contract outlasts Pete Carroll’s. The Seahawks can’t exist purely to give Carroll a nice send-off. That’s assuming that Geno is even capable of delivering such an ending.

Let’s not lose sight of the fact we’re talking about the most important position in the sport. The best-case scenario for the Seahawks is to retain Smith on a relatively team-friendly contract, then draft a QB for the future. They’d be re-creating the Alex Smith/Patrick Mahomes handover. We’ve seen too many young QB’s struggle because they’ve been thrown in at the deep-end too soon. Here’s an opportunity for the Seahawks to get the best of both worlds. Keep a player who can help you win now but also set things up for the future. Plus you still have picks #20, #38, #53 and #84 to address your defense.

If Schneider doesn’t like the quarterback options at #5, it’s a moot-point. They’ll take a defensive lineman and move forwards.

I feel very comfortable about the situation either way and wish more fans shared that thought. I trust Schneider when it comes to QB’s. We’ll give him a mulligan for the expensive Charlie Whitehurst trade. Since then he’s drafted Russell Wilson and reportedly had high interest in Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen — so much so, he was willing to move off peak-Wilson to get either player.

Thus, if he takes a QB — he should be given the benefit of the doubt. If he doesn’t take a QB, we can all assume with confidence there simply isn’t a player he rated highly enough.

It’s not a deep quarterback class by any stretch. There are four I think deserve to go in the top-10. Then there’s a big drop-off. Hendon Hooker will likely be the fifth taken but his stock is a mystery given his knee injury. He could end up being taken earlier than he should be, purely because there’s a gaping black-hole once he’s off the board.

Some things to consider in terms of Seattle’s possible preferences — Whitehurst, Wilson, Mahomes, Allen and Drew Lock all have big arms. All but Wilson have prototype stature. Mahomes is creative and able to extend plays — while Allen, Lock and Wilson were all excellent athletes. Even Whitehurst could move around a bit.

Much is made of hand size and that could be important. Wilson had 10 1/4-inch hands. However — Mahomes only has 9 1/4-inch hands and Lock’s are even smaller at exactly nine-inches. It might be more of a bonus than a factor.

It’s also worth noting that this is a quarterback class full of high-character, high-intelligence players. Levis, Stroud and Young are beloved by their teams. You can watch my interview with Levis by clicking here. Richardson is well regarded at Florida. Hooker is extremely mature and respected. There are no concerns with the top group and it won’t be a surprise if many of the QB’s get glowing reports for the way they interview at the combine.

Key tests
Deep throws, Forty

Ideal size
+6-2, 220lbs, +9.5 inch hands

Positional assessment
Fans and the media alike are tying themselves up in knots about this class. It often feels like when you have good quarterbacks, people find reasons to knock them. When you have a bad class — people find ways to elevate them. We saw that a year ago, when clear third-round talents like Malik Willis were suddenly being mocked second overall to the Lions. Heck, this was still being talked about as a possibility in April (click here and here). I think the top-four quarterbacks in this class — C.J. Stroud, Will Levis, Anthony Richardson and Bryce Young — are all worthy of being taken with the #5 pick. None are flawless. Neither was Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen or Justin Herbert. In particular I think the physical traits of Stroud, Levis and Richardson will really appeal to John Schneider, while the creativity and mentality of Young will also likely make him a favourite. Beyond the top-four, I suspect teams will have different opinions on Hendon Hooker who is high-character and enjoyed a productive two-years in Tennessee. However, he played in a wide-open offense and is recovering from a serious knee injury. He’s also 25-years-old and already older than Jalen Hurts. Dorian Thompson-Robinson has a lot of intriguing qualities but he is even smaller than Young and Tanner McKee just screams Mike Glennon 2.0.

Interesting note
The Seahawks have only drafted two quarterbacks in the Carroll/Schneider era — Russell Wilson (third round, 2012) and Alex McGough (seventh round, 2018).

The best drill to watch
Everyone wants to see the top QB’s throw the deep ball. I used to think it was a waste of time at the combine but I’ve changed my mind. It’s a great way to compare all of the QB’s because they’re throwing in the same setting. You can do an apple’s for apple’s comparison — without all the home comforts of a pro-day. It’s been confirmed that Anthony Richardson and C.J. Stroud will both throw at the combine. Bryce Young will not throw. There’s no news on Will Levis at the moment, who has been recovering from a broken toe suffered during the season.

Five names to watch
C.J. Stroud, Will Levis, Anthony Richardson, Bryce Young, Dorian Thompson-Robinson

Potential standout
Will Levis isn’t a lightning quick straight-line runner but he’s a gym-rat who should test well in the jumps and short shuttle — plus he has an outstanding, elite-level arm. However — this should be Anthony Richardson’s stage. He has an opportunity to do everything well, starting with the forty. Reportedly he intends to take part in all drills and tests. He has a rocket arm to launch the ball downfield. He can make some serious money in Indianapolis.

Importance to the Seahawks
I appreciate that many disagree and want the Seahawks to pay Geno Smith a small fortune, then build up the rest of the roster. Again, I trust Schneider on quarterbacks and will be comfortable if he goes QB or DL at #5. However, for me the whole Russell Wilson trade has been building up to this moment. You have a rare opportunity to invest in a talented, physically gifted young signal caller for the long-term future. You also have the benefit of having four more picks in the first three rounds to address other areas of the team. It makes perfect sense — whether you keep Smith or not — to consider drafting a quarterback at #5.

Josh Downs looks like a Tyler Lockett clone

Wide receivers
Pete Carroll has only drafted three receivers who didn’t run a 4.4 forty or faster:

Kenny Lawler — 4.64
Chris Harper — 4.50
John Ursua — 4.56

The rest all cracked the 4.4’s:

Paul Richardson — 4.40
Golden Tate — 4.42
Tyler Lockett — 4.40
Kris Durham — 4.46
Kevin Norwood — 4.48
Amara Darboh — 4.45
David Moore — 4.42
D.K. Metcalf — 4.33
Freddie Swain — 4.46
Dee Eskridge — 4.38
Bo Melton — 4.34
Dareke Young — 4.44

We have enough data now to say definitively — unless a player runs a 4.4 or faster, the Seahawks are unlikely to consider them until the later rounds (if at all). Clearly they value speed and suddenness at the position even if you’re a ‘bigger’ receiver.

The entire NFL acknowledges the need for speed. The days of the classic ‘possession’ receiver are over. Teams are utilising tight ends in a variety of creative ways to get a sizeable mismatch target on the field. For receivers playing outside or in the slot, quickness is the desired trait.

Positional assessment
If college football isn’t churning out many safeties, it’s doing a good job producing capable wide receivers. The 2023 class isn’t as good as we’ve come to expect in recent years — but there’s still a cluster of names and decent depth stretching into day three. There isn’t an obvious player destined for the top-10 but Quentin Johnston, Jalin Hyatt and Zay Flowers are a good bet for the first round. Josh Downs, Jonathan Mingo, Cedric Tillman and Jordan Addison could also find a home in the top-50. It’ll be a big week for Jaxon Smith-Njigba — he has to prove he’s quicker than expected after running a 4.64 at SPARQ. Keep an eye on Bryce Ford-Wheaton — he’s flying way under the radar and should test well in Indianapolis. Jayden Reed, Kayshon Boutte, Tank Dell and Tyler Scott are other names to monitor.

Interesting note
Carroll’s Seahawks don’t really have a ‘range’ where they take receivers. They’ve drafted four players in round two (Tate, Richardson, Metcalf, Eskridge), two in round three (Darboh, Lockett), three in round four (Norwood, Harper, Durham), one in round six (Swain) and five in round seven (Moore, Lawler, Ursua, Melton, Young). It’s worth noting they’ve been aggressive in trading up for two players — Lockett and Metcalf. They’ve also been their best ‘hits’ at the position. Is there a player they like enough to be similarly aggressive for this year?

Key tests
Forty, vertical, catching drills (proper technique)

Ideal size
Just run a 4.4 forty or faster

The best drill to watch
Any drill that clearly shows catching technique. It’s extremely important. You want to see a receiver cupping his hands while presenting to the ball. No alligator arms, no fighting the ball or snatching at it. Watch the downfield throws and see who is good at high pointing the football, showing body control and tracking over the shoulder. Who is a natural hands catcher? I would expect Josh Downs and Jonathan Mingo to excel in both areas.

Five names to watch
Quentin Johnston, Jalin Hyatt, Josh Downs, Jonathan Mingo, Bryce Ford-Wheaton

Potential standout
Unsurprisingly there are high expectations with the group. Jalin Hyatt’s late separation skills hint at extreme speed. Zay Flowers’ ability to change direction could make for a pair of blistering agility tests. Bryce Ford-Wheaton can jump a 40-inch vertical and has been timed running a 4.02 short-shuttle and a 6.68 three-cone. Tyler Scott is being tipped to run in 4.2’s and he’s also jumped a +40-inch vertical. However, based on size and extreme testing, Quentin Johnston is the one to watch. At 6-4 and around 210lbs he is expected to nail a 42-inch vertical and maybe even break the 4.3’s. If he does, it’ll be interesting to see what impact that has on his stock. He’s inconsistent at times but he has rare physical qualities.

Importance to the Seahawks
Most successful teams in the NFL have three quality weapons. That can include a tight end — but generally in the modern NFL you’re passing attack needs three legit targets. The Seahawks clearly have two in Lockett and Metcalf. They mixed their tight end production around without any one individual rising to the top. They’ve struggled in recent years to find a third receiver, highlighted by the pick used on Dee Eskridge which clearly hasn’t worked out. They’re high on Dareke Young but I still think there’s room for a pick at receiver if the right player is available. I think they’d consider a ‘big slot’ type who they can move around — and Jonathan Mingo would fit the bill if he can crack the 4.4’s. Josh Downs, meanwhile, just screams ‘Seahawks’. His playing style is so similar to Lockett’s. He’s a very mature individual with NFL bloodlines (his father played in the league and his uncle is Dre Bly). He already talks like a seasoned veteran. He high points the ball brilliantly for his size, can get downfield to make big plays but he’s also good on the short-stuff too. Fingers crossed he runs well. I can imagine him being a ‘must have’ player for the Seahawks.

Michael Mayer is a fantastic player

Tight ends
Seattle has drafted five tight ends under Pete Carroll — Nick Vannett, Luke Willson, Anthony McCoy, Will Dissly and Colby Parkinson. They also traded for Jimmy Graham in 2015 and signed Zach Miller to a big contract in 2011. In the last four years they have signed Greg Olsen and Gerald Everett to one-year deals and brought in Noah Fant as part of the Russell Wilson trade.

One thing links all ten players — agility testing.

Short shuttle and three cone.

It appears the Seahawks see it as vital:

Luke Willson — 4.29 (ss), 7.08 (3c)
Will Dissly — 4.40 (ss), 7.07 (3c)
Nick Vannett — 4.20 (ss), 7.05 (3c)
Anthony McCoy — 4.57 (ss), 6.99 (3c)
Zach Miller — 4.42 (ss), 7.01 (3c)
Jimmy Graham — 4.45 (ss), 6.90 (3c)
Greg Olsen — 4.48 (ss), 7.04 (3c)
Colby Parkinson — 4.46 (ss), 7.15 (3c)
Gerald Everett — 4.33 (ss), 6.99 (3c)
Noah Fant — 4.22 (ss), 6.81 (3c)

Tony Pauline also linked the Seahawks with interest in free agent Austin Hooper before he signed with Cleveland. He ran a 4.32 short shuttle and a 7.00 three cone. It was speculated that Seattle really liked O.J. Howard in the 2017 draft. He had the top short shuttle in his class (4.16) and a fantastic three cone (6.85). After acquiring Fant last year, John Schneider said they were preparing to draft him in 2019 before the Broncos selected him with the 20th pick.

Short-area quickness and agility appear to be important for any prospective Seahawks tight end so pay close attention to the short shuttle and the three cone.

This is an understandable approach to the position when you consider the top tight ends in the league. They generally all have the same thing in common — strong agility testing and a good 10-yard split.

Rob Gronkowski — 1.58 (10), 4.47 (ss)
Travis Kelce — 1.61 (10), 4.42 (ss)
George Kittle — 1.59 (10), 4.55 (ss)
Mark Andrews — 1.54 (10), 4.38 (ss)
Dallas Goedert — unknown (10), 4.31 (ss)
Zach Erz — 1.64 (10), 4.47 (ss)
T.J. Hockenson — 1.63 (10), 4.18 (ss)

People will focus on the forty yard dash, particularly with players such as Michael Mayer who won’t run a fast time. However — the more important numbers to focus on are the split, the shuttle and the three cone.

Key tests
Short shuttle, three cone, 10-yard split

Ideal size
6-5, 250-265lbs, +33-inch arms, +10-inch hands

Positional assessment
There are a cluster of players set to go in the first two rounds but it’s a top-heavy class. For me, Michael Mayer is a complete tight end and a class act. He’s one of the safest picks you can make in the draft and will combine committed blocking with consistent hands, production, an ability to create late separation and he does a superb job catching away from his body. Luke Musgrave will be one of the stars of the combine — we’ll discuss why in a moment. Dalton Kincaid will not test and he’s expected to miss the entire pre-draft process due to injury. Tucker Kraft flies under the radar but could easily be a top-50 pick. I think Darnell Washington is a bit overrated. He’s too big and doesn’t move freely enough to be a serious receiving threat. His size should be useful as a blocker, however. After that — there’s not much to get at.

Interesting note
In 2017 the Seahawks needed a tight end and were presented with a strong looking class. Unexpectedly, they passed on the position. They drafted seven players before George Kittle was selected in round five by the 49ers — despite his good combine and dynamism as a blocker. Seattle even spent five picks in rounds 3-4 without taking Kittle. A huge blow, especially given he was eventually drafted by a division rival.

Best drill to watch
Catching technique is always important so look for how a player uses his hands. Is he cupping them to the ball? I always like to see TE’s who can move naturally on seam routes and change direction during drills. It’s quite easy to spot stiffness among this group when they’re running in the open field.

Five names to watch
Michael Mayer, Luke Musgrave, Tucker Kraft, Darnell Washington, Josh Whyle

Potential standout
It has to be Luke Musgrave. It was noticeable how smooth he looked running routes at the Senior Bowl and his testing numbers will no doubt show well. He’s been timed running a 4.51 forty and a 4.21 short shuttle.

Importance to the Seahawks?
There’s no immediate need but this could be a situation where they look to the future. Noah Fant and Colby Parkinson are both free agents in 2024. There’s an easy out on Will Dissly’s contract next year. If BPA matches up with this position, they might be tempted to think ahead.

Groups 10-12: OL, RB

Arrival: Wednesday 1st March
Team interviews: Thursday 2nd March
General medical exam: Friday 3rd March
Media & NFLPA meeting: Saturday 4th March
Measurements, on-field drills: Sunday 5th March
Bench press & broadcast interviews: Monday 6th March

Cody Mauch — talented player, great hair

Offensive linemen
This has typically been the point where I introduce ‘TEF’ — the formula we created to calculate explosive testing. In the past it helped us identify potential O-line targets for the Seahawks successfully.

Up until 2020 it still seemed to be somewhat relevant. Damien Lewis was an explosive tester and Phil Haynes — drafted in 2019 and recently re-signed — was the second best TEF scorer in his class.

However, both players were drafted when Mike Solari was the offensive line coach. Andy Dickerson took over a year ago and the Seahawks then drafted two non-explosive offensive tackles with high picks.

Charles Cross didn’t do a bench press or broad jump before the draft, so it was impossible to judge how truly explosive he was. However, his 26-inch vertical was not good. Generally you want to see players jumping in the 30-inch range.

Abraham Lucas only scored a 2.73 through TEF. He was not an explosive tester.

The Seahawks are copying the Rams’ blocking scheme and over the years, they haven’t placed much emphasis on explosive traits. Here are some of the linemen they’ve acquired in recent years and how they scored in TEF:

Brian Allen — 2.63
Austin Corbett — 2.55
Rob Havenstein — 2.36
David Edwards — 2.19
Joseph Noteboom — 2.62

They did, however, draft Logan Bruss with their first pick a year ago and he recorded a 3.08 TEF score, making him an explosive tester.

I’m going to run through the annual TEF explainer — because I do still think it’s fun to collect the data and compare to previous years. However, I’m not going to make any predictions relating to the Seahawks based on explosive testing this year.

Instead, in future, I’m going to focus on what the Rams have done and suggest the Seahawks will do something similar.

LA has a tackle in Joseph Noteboom who compares favourably to Lucas. He ran a 4.96 forty and a 4.44 short shuttle — but only managed a 24-inch vertical. Lucas ran a 4.92 forty and a 4.40 short shuttle, while only jumping a 27-inch vertical.

Cross also ran a 4.95 forty but his short shuttle was only a 4.61.

Meanwhile — center Austin Blythe played for the Rams between 2017-20. He’s 6-2 and 298lbs and very similar to Brian Allen, the current Rams center. Blythe ran a 4.53 short shuttle — a very good time for his size. Allen ran a 4.71. I think, at this position, the shuttle will be important within this scheme. I’m intrigued to see if Seattle goes after Garrett Bradbury in free agency, who has the ideal size and matched Blythe’s 4.53 short shuttle. San Francisco’s Jake Brendel also fits the bill — and he ran a fantastic 4.27 shuttle.

At these two positions there’s a clear correlation.

The only significant difference comes at guard — where Seattle is retaining size and traits while the Rams prefer converted college tackles.

It’ll be interesting to see if the Seahawks begin to transition to LA’s approach at guard, with Lewis and Haynes only contracted for 2023. Let’s see if they draft a couple of tackles with the idea of kicking them inside next year. With Blythe a free agent they also have a void at center. I’d expect them to look for a smaller, leverage-winning player with a wrestling background who runs a good short shuttle.

Finally on to TEF — I do think it’s worth stressing there is some value in explosive testing. Most of the top linemen in the league are explosive testers, as I detailed in this article.

Pat Kirwan — a confidant of Pete Carroll — explained in this piece why explosive testing is important:

Every time a ball is snapped to start a play there is a critical element of explosiveness that takes place. When two players collide in an attempt to physically dominate each other, the athlete with the edge in explosiveness has the best chance to win the confrontation. It could be a blocker vs. a tackler, a tackler vs. a ball carrier, or many other examples of winning at the point of contact.

Explosiveness is defined in the dictionary as a violent release of energy, a sudden outburst. Football is a series of explosions. How do you measure it in athletes trying to play NFL football?

Take the vertical jump, standing broad jump and the bench press test results and add them together. If the combined score is over 70 there is a reason to consider the candidate at some point in the draft process for his explosiveness.

Kirwan’s formula is flawed because it diminishes the impact of the broad jump. A superb 9-7 only achieves a 1.2 point advantage over a below par 8-5. That’s why TEF was created — to do what Kirwan intended and measure explosive traits equally and emphasise their combined importance.

In recent years we’ve increasingly seen explosive testers drafted earlier than non-explosive testers. Despite Seattle’s scheme shift, I’d expect that trend to continue.

Here’s the TEF formula explained…

Tom Cable stated in 2015 that an O-line prospect would ideally achieve a 31-inch vertical, a 9-foot broad jump and 27 reps in the bench press. TEF uses these numbers to create an overall score for each individual offensive lineman:

1. Vertical ÷ 31
2. Broad ÷ 9, then cube the result
3. Bench ÷ 27
4. Results added together = TEF

Here’s what the ideal (31 — 9 — 27) would look like using this formula:

1. Vertical: 31 ÷ 31 = 1
2. Broad: 9 ÷ 9 = 1, cubed = 1
3. Bench: 27 ÷ 27 = 1
4. Overall score = 3.00

A prospect achieving the exact Cable ideal (31 — 9 — 27) will score a 3.00 in TEF.

The TEF formula is explained here. We also created a second calculation to account for the fact that jumping a vertical at 320lbs is considerably more challenging than jumping a vertical at 275lbs. Thus, we created a second formula (weighted TEF or wTEF) to account for weight:

Weight x TEF x 0.1

We can give each player a score that sufficiently emphasises their unique size. For example:

Germain Ifedi — 324 x 2.97 x 0.1 = 96.1

Phil Haynes, meanwhile, scored a 103.7. For more information on weighted TEF, click here.

I always feel obliged to end with this — TEF is not an attempt to determine who is a good or bad offensive linemen. It’s merely a calculation to judge explosive traits. While that’s only one part of any evaluation — it’s clear the league pays attention to it. That’s why I do, too. It might not shed any light relating to possible Seahawks picks but it’s interesting information to have from a league perspective.

Key tests
Vertical, Broad, Bench, Short Shuttle, Forty

Ideal size/testing
OT — 6-3/6-5, 305-320lbs, +33 inch arms, 4.90-5.00 forty, 4.40 ss
OG — 6-2/6-5, 300-320lbs, +33 inch arms, +3.00 TEF
OC — 6-0/6-2, 295lbs, 4.50 ss

Positional assessment
This is not a particularly exciting offensive line class. There are no obvious top-10 picks, despite the media trying to push Paris Johnson Jr and Peter Skoronski into that range. For me the only two linemen deserving of first round consideration are Darnell Wright and Dawand Jones — both right tackles. There’s some depth at guard in the mid-to-late rounds and there are plenty of prospective tackle-to-guard converts — including Jaelyn Duncan, Matthew Bergeron, Jordan McFadden, Broderick Jones, Tyler Steen and Ryan Hayes. Personally, I think O’Cyrus Torrence is overrated as a limited pure guard. I also think it’s an overrated center class. Joe Tippman will test very well but might be best placed to move to guard given his height and size. I’m intrigued to see John Michael Schmitz test because I think he looks limited on tape. Ditto Luke Wypler. Juice Scruggs could provide some later round value at center and Ricky Stromberg is expected to be a strong tester. Cody Mauch, however, is the player who intrigues me the most. I thought he did a tremendous job moving to center at the Senior Bowl. He’s athletic, intense and a real brawler.

Interesting note
The average short shuttle time among the leading, most respected centers in the league is a 4.50. If you take out Jason Kelce’s insane 4.14 short shuttle, it’s still a 4.56. When I interviewed Juice Scruggs recently (you can watch the interview here) he said he’d been working hard on his short shuttle times, following advice that it was viewed as an important test.

The best drills to watch
The mirror drill and kick-slide. In the mirror, two linemen used to stand opposite each other, with one acting as ‘the rabbit’. He’d move around and change direction and it’s up to the participant to stick. Now they don’t use the ‘rabbit’. It’s an important test of footwork, agility, mobility, balance, control and stamina. It’s also a good gauge of pass protection skills. In the kick-slide, it speaks for itself. How well do the offensive tackles get into position, how athletic do they do it, what’s the footwork like? I also like to watch the linemen move around the field from side-to-side so we can see who are the more fluid athletes. Abraham Lucas looked so smooth out there a year ago and it showed in the way he played as a rookie.

Five names to watch
Guard — Matthew Bergeron, Jordan McFadden, Nick Broeker, Nick Saldiveri, McClendon Curtis

Center — Joe Tippman, Cody Mauch, John Michael Schmitz, Luke Wypler, Juice Scruggs

Tackle — Darnell Wright, Dawand Jones, Jaelyn Duncan, Anton Harrison, Paris Johnson Jr

Potential standout
It’s not often you see a center on Bruce Feldman’s ‘freaks’ list but Joe Tippmann ranked a very impressive 28th. He can reportedly run a 4.31 short shuttle and a 1.65 10-yard split, which would’ve been faster than any O-lineman at the NFL combine last year.

Importance to the Seahawks
It’d be nice to continue to see the Seahawks invest in the trenches but the bigger priority feels like the defensive line at the moment. The Phil Haynes signing likely ends any realistic thought of a top pick on a guard (or a right tackle, with Lucas moving inside). Unless the Seahawks sign an obvious veteran starter at center, that could remain a viable pick. Otherwise we’re mostly looking at depth and competition.

Bijan Robinson might be the best player in the draft

Running backs
The Seahawks have a type at running back. They’ve consistently drafted players with a similar physical profile. Their runners are about 210-220lbs. They have explosive testing results (good vertical & broad jump). It’s made it fairly straight forward to figure out who they might like. Here are the players we identified from the 2016, 2017, 2018, 2020 and 2022 combines as probable targets:

2016:

C.J. Prosise — 6-0, 220lbs, 35.5 inch vert, 10-1 broad
Kenneth Dixon — 5-10, 215lbs, 37.5 inch vert, 10-8 broad

2017:

Chris Carson — 6-0, 218lbs, 37 inch vert, 10-10 broad
Brian Hill — 6-0, 219lbs, 34 inch vert, 10-5 broad
Alvin Kamara — 5-10, 214lbs, 39.5 inch vert, 10-11 broad
Joe Williams — 5-11, 210lbs, 35 inch vert, 10-5 broad

2018:

Saquon Barkley — 6-0, 233lbs, 41 inch vert DNP broad
Kerryon Johnson — 511, 213lbs 40 inch vert, 10-6 broad
Bo Scarborough — 6-0, 228lbs, 40 inch vert, 10-9 broad
Nick Chubb — 5-11, 227lbs, 38.5 inch vert, 10-8 broad
John Kelly — 5-10, 216lbs, 35 inch vert, 10-0 broad
Lavon Coleman — 5-10, 223lbs, 33 inch vert, 10-0 broad
Rashaad Penny — 5-11, 220lbs, 32.5 inch vert, 10-0 broad
Royce Freeman — 5-11, 229lbs, 34 inch vert, 9-10 broad

2020:

Jonathan Taylor — 5-10, 226lbs, 36 inch vert, 10-3 broad
Cam Akers — 5-10, 217lbs, 35.5 inch vert, 10-2 broad
Deejay Dallas — 5-10, 217lbs, 33.5 inch vert, 9-11 broad
AJ Dillon — 6-0, 247lbs, 41 inch vert, 10-11 broad
Zack Moss — 5-9, 223lbs, 33 inch vert, DNP broad
James Robinson — 5-9, 219lbs, 40 inch vert, 10-5 broad
Patrick Taylor — 6-0, 217lbs, 34 inch vert, 10-3 broad

2022:

Breece Hall — 5-11, 217lbs, 40 inch vert, 10-6 broad
Brian Robinson — 6-2, 225lbs, 30 inch vert, 9-11 broad
Dameon Pierce — 5-10, 218lbs, 34.5 inch vert, 9-11 broad
D’Vonte Price — 6-1, 210lbs, 34 inch vert, 9-11 broad
Isaih Pacheco — 5-10, 216lbs, 33 inch vert, 9-10 broad
Jerome Ford — 5-10, 210lbs, 31 inch vert, 9-10 broad
Kenneth Walker — 5-9, 211lbs, 34 inch vert, 10-2 broad
Kevin Harris — 5-10, 221lbs, 38.5 inch vert, 10-6 broad
Snoop Conner — 5-10, 222lbs, 29.5 inch vert, 9-10 broad
Rachaad White — 6-0, 214lbs, 38 inch vert, 10-5 broad
Tyler Allgeier — 5-11, 224lbs, 33 inch vert, 10-0 broad
Tyrion Davis-Price — 6-0, 211lbs, 30 inch vert, 9-9 broad
Zamir White — 6-0, 214lbs, 33.5 inch vert, 10-8 broad

They drafted a player from each of the groups — Prosise, Carson, Penny, Dallas and Walker. They eventually added Bo Scarborough too and admitted significant interest in James Robinson as an UDFA (John Schenider said he was on the brink of signing with the Seahawks, before opting for Jacksonville).

In 2021 the combine was cancelled and in 2019 we identified Alex Barnes, Damien Harris, Alexander Mattison, LJ Scott, Miles Sanders, Dexter Williams and Tony Pollard as possible options. Running back was an unlikely target with the depth they had at the position. With a strong emphasis on special teams improvement they selected Travis Homer in round six mainly because he was considered to be one of the top special teamer’s in the draft. That was more of a special teams exception than anything indicative. Homer has since added weight to try and expand his role on offense.

Key tests
Vertical, Broad, size

Ideal size
5-10, 220lbs, +35 inch vertical, +10 broad

Positional assessment
Texas’ Bijan Robinson might be the best player in the draft. He’ll likely top many boards in terms of grade, depending on how teams view the concerns surrounding Jalen Carter’s maturity. He has superb acceleration to shift up the gears when he breaks into space. He can drive through contact and finish runs. He’s a fantastic receiver. Someone will take him in the top-15, guaranteed. Robinson headlines a deep class full of options. Jahmyr Gibbs is a dynamic runner and receiver who could also go in the top-40. Kenny McIntosh, Zach Charbonnet, Tyjae Spears and Israel Abanikanda all carry second round grades on my horizontal board. There’ll be attractive options deep into round three and beyond — including Chris Rodriguez, Chase Brown, Tank Bigsby, Zach Evans, Roschon Johnson, Evan Hull, Eric Gray, Deuce Vaughan, Devon Achane and DeWayne McBridel. This is probably the deepest position in the draft.

Interesting note
In the past the Seahawks seemed to prefer explosive traits over straight line speed. Christine Michael (4.54), C.J. Prosise (4.48), Robert Turbin (4.50) and Chris Carson (4.58) were better explosive testers than runners. Things have shifted slightly in recent years. Rashaad Penny wasn’t quite as explosive but ran a 4.46. They admitted after the 2022 draft that they thought there were two top-level running backs — Ken Walker (who they drafted) and Breece Hall. Walker ran a 4.38 and Hall a 4.39. It could be that having adjusted to a new blocking scheme, they’re placing a greater emphasis on speed and quickness.

The best drill to watch
It’s nice to see the running backs cutting against pads while showing body control and quickness in the open field. You can tell who has it and who doesn’t in these drills and it’s where Walker really excelled a year ago — looking so good changing direction despite having a very muscular, thick frame. He looked like a beast and moved like a ballerina.

Five names to watch
Bijan Robinson, Kenny McIntosh, Zach Charbonnet, Tyjae Spears, Israel Abanikanda

Potential standout
Little is known of the testing potential of the bigger names so it’s going to be intriguing to see how they get on. For that reason I’ll give a shout-out to Roschon Johnson here. He was ranked 26th by Bruce Feldman on the ‘freaks’ list and can reportedly run at a top-speed of 22.6mph despite being around 220lbs.

Importance to the Seahawks
It’s hard to say. They invested a high pick in Ken Walker despite already bringing back Rashaad Penny. Do they re-sign Penny again? If not, they’ll need to do something at running back. I don’t expect Bijan Robinson to last to #20 (the Seahawks will have a big call to make if he does). I think the great depth at the position means they’ll be able to draft an adequate RB2 later on if needs be and address other positions with their high picks.

The week ahead

Throughout the combine I’ll be producing a live blog updating testing results, followed by a reflective piece at the end of each day. I’ll also be delivering daily live streams to offer thoughts and observations. My podcast partner Robbie Williams is attending the combine and will also provide his own analysis from Lucas Oil Field.

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Friday notes: No to Wagner, more character talk & two receivers

Bobby Wagner is being released by the LA Rams

Why it’s a ‘no’ on Bobby Wagner for me

Seahawks’ media and fans alike are buzzing on Twitter, calling for the team to bring Wagner home.

I can understand why. He was a very popular player, liked by everyone. The Seahawks have been known to keep bringing back their own players — almost to a fault. Bruce Irvin, Benson Mayowa, Luke Willson and several others spring to mind. They are very comfortable with familiarity so I can see why some people expect this might happen.

For me though, it’s an emphatic ‘no’.

Let’s not forget we’re only a year removed from the Seahawks cutting Wagner. There was a reason for that and we can’t just put it down to cost. They are paying Quandre Diggs and Jamal Adams similar salaries this year. They could afford Wagner if they wanted to — they chose to part ways instead.

Going into the final year of his contract, it would’ve been fairly easy to negotiate an extension and lower the 2022 cap-hit. Again, they chose not to.

I don’t think people ever really embraced what Wagner was showing on film towards the end. It’s not nice to say and I appreciate any time you criticise a franchise legend, you’re going to get a pushback. However — it was very clear on tape that Wagner appeared to be increasingly avoiding contact. He was not hitting his gaps with any kind of urgency. There were screen passes where he was riding downfield rather driving to the ball-carrier. He was hesitant.

The play that really encapsulated his 2021 season was having a target right in his path against the Rams, remaining extremely static and watching Darrell Taylor chase from nowhere to deliver a massive hit while he stood and watched:

There were no big plays, not enough of the old Wagner and he could no longer justify a good contract.

The team didn’t make that call on a whim. You don’t just cut Bobby Wagner. That will have been a difficult but necessary decision. Few saw it coming, apart from those of us who were willing to embrace what the tape was actually showing.

He was released on March 9th and was immediately able to negotiate with new teams. He didn’t sign a contract until March 31st. He endured a relatively cold market. A bit of interest from Baltimore, a bit of interest from LA. There wasn’t a lot of buzz. Eventually he signed a deal with the Rams that was announced as a ‘five-year deal worth $65m’ but as soon as the details came out, we could all see it was likely a $10m contract for one season and then see what happens.

Despite being PFF’s top-graded linebacker, the Rams are moving on after one season. For the second year in a row, he’s being released.

I only watched the Rams closely twice in 2022 — against the Seahawks. I thought Wagner played very well in those game. I also think he was highly motivated to play well against his old team and might’ve played with that bit between his teeth all year.

I’m not interested in signing a 33-year-old Wagner to a contract similar to the arrangement he had in LA, just to find out whether he’ll play like he did in 2021.

The Seahawks only have $15.9m in effective cap space (and that doesn’t include the Nick Bellore contract). That will rise a bit when they cut Gabe Jackson. With major holes in the trenches — and no quarterback signed to the roster — now isn’t the time to be spending around $10m for the feel-good-factor of Wagner returning, to play behind an inept D-line.

Imagine if the team did try and re-sign Wagner. What does this mean? That they’re trying to re-create the 2019 Seahawks? With a quarterback earning a salary in the $30-35m range and an ageing Wagner leading the defense?

I thought the whole point of last year was a fresh start? New heroes to find, a new era for the team? Not trying to roll back the years.

Are we really, 12 months on, going to hope for a team led by Geno Smith on a Russell Wilson sized contract, with soon-to-be 33-year-old Wagner on the other side of the ball?

I want a new direction. I don’t want to hold on to the past, or a plan that didn’t work three or four years ago (so why will it work now?).

I voiced my disinterest in re-signing Wagner on twitter and people have quickly retaliated by pointing out that I said I had interest in signing Lavonte David. It’s a fair challenge to make and one I should answer.

Firstly, I am hardly awash with NFL sources and contacts but from time-to-time, I am able to exchange ideas, thoughts and opinions with people who played the game. It was during a conversation about Wagner’s play in 2021 that the play of David was highlighted in comparison. I watched his all-22. It was the complete opposite of what Wagner was showing on tape.

To put it bluntly, Lavonte David chooses violence. There was no shirking anything. He continues to play like lightning to the ball-carrier. His intensity, physicality and speed is as good today as it was in his late 20’s. He is a thoroughly impressive, tone-setting player. He is someone who deserves more praise than he gets.

To me that is what Seattle badly needs. While I’d be worried about Wagner settling back into Seattle like he’s putting on a pair of favourite slippers, I’m not sure David has any other mode than ‘attack’.

I am not tied to the thought of signing David, either. It was a suggestion among others that included improving the trenches first and foremost. That needs to be the priority before anything else. I want to see reinforcements up front and if that means settling on a cheaper linebacker, so be it.

Over the years, we’ve been able to work out the types of player Seattle likes at certain positions. Their process at linebacker makes sense. Yes, Cody Barton has been a disappointment and Jordyn Brooks is yet to truly justify his investment. Yet the same physical traits they covet also helped us identify Fred Warner and Dre Greenlaw as potential targets for Seattle. Both, obviously, now excel in San Francisco.

I think sticking to those preferences and taking shots on fast, explosive, agile linebackers in the middle and later rounds is the way to go. I’d consider an exception for Drew Sanders, who I think should be a possible option at #20.

For the most part the bigger investment should come in the trenches, though.

I had a Twitter exchange earlier with someone who suggested it would be a plausible consideration if Wagner was willing to take an unrealistic salary, such as $5m. We need to embrace what is actually likely to happen here.

According to Spotrac, Wagner has earned $92m in his football career alone. He was named 2nd team All-Pro in 2022 and got the highly publicised ‘top PFF grade’ for a linebacker in 2022.

He acts as his own agent, which typically doesn’t create the smoothest negotiation. As mentioned already, a year ago it took a while to get a deal done.

Wagner doesn’t strike me as someone who will take any old contract to carry on playing and might even sit out on a point of principle after everything he’s achieved. We’ll see. I can’t imagine him carrying on for a Phil Haynes salary. There may well be teams with a lot to spend — Atlanta, Chicago and Vegas for example — who are willing to invest in his experience.

More than anything though I’m just ready to look to the future and not be sentimental for the past. Wagner will always be a Seattle great. Yet he was cut for a reason 12 months ago and a revenge tour season in LA shouldn’t push the Seahawks towards going back for more.

They don’t have much to spend. What little is left should go on other areas — namely quarterback and the trenches.

Another important note on character

I’m always looking for little nuggets of info and this felt like an interesting one. On 710 Seattle Sports this week, Dave Wyman had the following to say about Kayvon Thibodeaux — a player the Seahawks supposedly wouldn’t have drafted a year ago:

“That was a guy that they just weren’t going to draft. Probably in the second round or at some point. That was just a guy they weren’t very high on”

Wyman doesn’t detail why they wouldn’t have drafted Thibodeaux but it’s worth remembering some of the talk about him pre-draft. In all of his interviews he talked about his ‘brand’ and how being in the NFL would help his ‘brand’. He constantly talked about money and how being in the league was simply a vehicle to achieve financial success.

Closer to the draft it emerged he’d also been saying similar things to teams and a few found it off-putting. In mocks you started to see him drop. Right before the draft, Peter King even mocked the Seahawks trading down to #13 and taking Thibodeaux.

When Schneider spoke immediately after the 2022 season ended, he spoke about the added emphasis they placed on character last year. You can see that in the players they drafted — all were very mature, focused players.

My hunch is they were one of the teams who were put-off by Thibodeaux’s relentless desire to talk about his ‘brand’ and entrepreneurial ambitions.

I appreciate there’s some dot-connecting here but John Schneider recently started a weekly radio segment with Wyman. Recently, we’ve seen this comment on Thibodeaux and a note that Geno Smith is asking for $40m a year. Draw your own conclusions but personally when Wyman speaks these days I’m going to listen.

The reason I bring all this up is because of Jalen Carter. As talented as he is — and he’s very talented — there’s no getting away from the character concerns. Todd McShay questioned whether he’s someone you’d want to bring into the locker room. Lance Zierlein noted maturity issues in his NFL.com scouting report. I understand he basically did what he wanted at Georgia.

This could all be fair and accurate and he could still have an amazing career. You don’t need to be the ultimate pro to succeed.

And let’s not forget — the Giants took Thibodeaux at #5 despite all the chatter. I think Carter will similarly go very early.

I’m not convinced, however, that he’ll be on Seattle’s radar unless he can convince them otherwise over the coming weeks.

On the other hand, Will Anderson is constantly raved about by Nick Saban for his character and attitude. It’s also worth noting that Bryce Young, C.J. Stroud and Will Levis are celebrated for their amazing character. I’ve interviewed Levis and have spoken to people at Kentucky about him. He is loved over there. I’ve also heard good things about Anthony Richardson, just not to the same extent as the other top-three quarterbacks.

This is all worth remembering if character plays a big part in Seattle’s key decision with their top pick.

Two receivers I’m eyeing for Seattle

I’m very much looking forward to the combine and will be publishing my big combine preview on Sunday or Monday. I can’t wait to mention two receivers though.

The Seahawks might go in a different direction with their high picks and we need to see how they test. However, Josh Downs and Jonathan Mingo just scream ‘Seahawks’ to me.

Downs is just the ultimate. He reminds me so much of Tyler Lockett it’s uncanny.

His ability to high-point the football at his size is truly remarkable. He creates subtle separation with suddenness to clear coverage. He can make the big play downfield and deliver on the quick-hitters inside.

Personality-wise he is a 10/10. He already speaks like a seasoned veteran. His dad played in the league and his uncle is Dre Bly. He’s grown up around coaches and players and it shows.

He is also immensely productive and explosive — a constant threat.

It won’t be a surprise if he ends up being a ‘must-have’ for Seattle. He’ll need to prove his speed at the combine but this is the player I would put a ring around pre-Indy.

Mingo, meanwhile, is one of the most underrated players in the draft. He’s well sized with a fantastic frame. He has the quickness to get downfield and take the top off a defense but amazingly at 6-1 and 225lbs he’s brilliant in the slot. He’s technically adept and knows how to get open, present himself to the ball and he shows his hands to the QB and catches away from his body. His ball-tracking over his shoulder and on deep and contested throws is first rate.

He can make spectacular one-handed grabs, he can ‘Moss’ defenders and he runs terrific routes. He can pretty much do everything and he plays with an aggression and physicality teams will love.

I’ve watched every rep he had at the Senior Bowl and he was as smooth as silk. His ability to leap and catch away from his body was there for all to see and he deserves way more attention than he’s getting for his showing. I think he’s a second round lock but let’s see how he tests.

The fact Seattle trialled Laquon Treadwell as a bigger WR3 makes me think they’re open to that type of player. If Mingo’s there at #53 — he could end up being a steal.

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