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TEF results 2018 & Seattle running back targets

Who are the most explosive offensive linemen in the 2018 draft? And which running backs are the Seahawks likely to show interest in?

Let’s find out…

Is it an explosive offensive line class?

Two years ago we created a formula called TEF (Trench Explosion Formula). For a full breakdown of what the formula is, click here. Essentially, any prospect scoring 3.00 or higher is an explosive athlete.

Here’s the formula we use:

1. Vertical ÷ 31
2. Broad ÷ 9, then cube the result
3. Bench ÷ 27
4. Results added together = TEF

And here are the 2018 results:

Braden Smith — 3.52
Kolton Miller — 3.31
Wyatt Teller — 3.22
Scott Quessenberry — 3.22
Connor Williams — 3.18
Quenton Nelson — 3.07
Will Hernandez — 3.04

Colby Gossett — 2.86
Toby Weathersby — 2.77
James Daniels — 2.76
Brian O’Neill — 2.74
Sam Jones — 2.73
Joe Noteboom — 2.62
Brian Allen — 2.61
Cole Madison — 2.61
Will Clapp — 2.59
Austin Corbett — 2.55
Tyrell Crosby — 2.52
Mason Cole — 2.50
Jaryd Smith-Jones — 2.49
Greg Senat — 2.49
Alex Cappa — 2.47
K.C. McDermott — 2.45
Sean Welsh — 2.41
K.J. Malone — 2.37
Chukwuma Okorafor — 2.30
Nick Gates — 2.17
Taylor Hearn — 2.14
Jamil Demby — 2.13
Orlando Brown — 1.59

Isaiah Wynn — DNP
Billy Price — DNP
Frank Ragnow — DNP

How does this compare to the last two years?

Players scoring a 3.00 or more:

2016 — 6
2017 — 3
2018 — 7

Players scoring at least a 2.85:

2016 — 9
2017 — 8
2018 — 8

Here’s the combined top-10 from 2016, 2017 and 2018 (in bold):

Jason Spriggs: 3.54
Braden Smith — 3.52
Kolton Miller — 3.31
Connor McGovern: 3.29
Forrest Lamp — 3.23
Wyatt Teller — 3.22
Scott Quessenberry — 3.22
Connor Williams — 3.18
Nico Siragusa — 3.13
Alex Redmond: 3.10
Quenton Nelson — 3.07
Joe Haeg: 3.06
Joe Dahl: 3.05
Will Hernandez — 3.04
Joe Thuney: 3.04
Garett Bolles — 3.00*
Halapoulivaati Vaitai: 2.97
Germain Ifedi: 2.97
Isaac Asiata — 2.96
Dorian Johnson — 2.92
Brandon Shell: 2.91
Antonio Garcia — 2.89
Sean Harlow — 2.87
Taylor Moton — 2.86
Colby Gossett — 2.86
Will Holden — 2.84
Ryan Kelly: 2.84
Ethan Pocic — 2.81
Toby Weathersby — 2.77
James Daniels — 2.76

What’s the biggest takeaway?

Most of the explosive O-liners in the 2018 draft are interior offensive linemen (or will be switching from tackle) — Braden Smith, Teller Wyatt, Scott Quessenberry, Connor Williams, Quenton Nelson and Will Hernandez. It further highlights the quality of this interior line class.

What about weighted TEF (wTEF)?

This tweaks the formula and accounts for the players with enormous size who perform well in the broad and vertical jumps. Why is this worth considering? It’s simple — jumping a vertical at 320lbs is considerably more difficult than jumping a vertical at 295lbs.

Here is the calculation we use:

Weight x TEF x 0.1

We can give players a score that sufficiently emphasises their unique size.

Germain Ifedi — 324 x 2.97 x 0.1 = 96.1

wTEF scores for the 2018 draft class

Braden Smith — 110.88
Kolton Miller — 102.28
Scott Quessenberry — 101.43
Quenton Nelson — 99.77
Will Hernandez — 99.40
Teller Wyatt — 96.92
Connor Williams — 94.13
Colby Gossett — 90.09
Toby Weathersby — 87.80
James Daniels — 84.45
Cole Madison — 81.69
Brian O’Neill — 81.38
Will Clapp — 81.32
Joe Noteboom — 80.95
Sam Jones — 79.17
Jaryd Jones-Smith — 78.93
Brian Allen — 78.30
Austin Corbett — 78.03
Tyrell Crosby — 77.87
Mason Cole — 76.25
K.J. Malone — 76.07
Greg Senat — 75.94
Alex Cappa — 75.33
Chukwuma Okorafor — 73.60
K.C. McDermott — 73.50
Sean Welsh — 72.30
Jamil Demby — 71.35
Taylor Hearn — 70.62
Nick Gates — 64.01
Orlando Brown — 54.85

How does this compare to 2016 & 2017?

Here are the top-10 wTEF scores from the last three years combined:

Braden Smith — 110.9
Spriggs, Jason — 104.9
Kolton Miller — 102.3
Scott Quessenberry — 101.4
McGovern, Conner — 101.4
Forrest Lamp — 99.8
Nico Siragusa — 99.8
Quenton Nelson — 99.8
Will Hernandez — 99.4
Teller Wyatt — 96.9
Ifedi, Germain — 96.1
Isaac Asiata — 95.6
Shell, Brandon — 94.4
Connor Williams — 94.1
Vaitai, Halapoulivaati — 93.8
Nembot, Stephane — 93.6
Dahl, Joe — 93.2
Joe Haeg — 93.0
Thuney, Joe — 91.6
Robertson, Dominique — 91.5
Taylor Moton — 91.2
Colby Gossett — 90.1
Garett Bolles — 89.1
Will Holden — 88.3
Jessamen Dunker — 88.0
Ben Braden — 87.8
Toby Weathersby — 87.8
Dorian Johnson — 87.6
Antonio Garcia — 87.2
James Daniels — 84.45

What did we learn today?

— Auburn’s Braden Smith, as expected, had a sensational combine. He is the best TEF tester we’ve calculated since creating the formula and the most explosive offensive lineman in the 2018 draft. His 3.52 TEF score is the same as Sheldon Rankins’. How good is that? Rankins was the most explosive defensive lineman in the 2016 draft.

— Kolton Miller was a close second thanks largely to his record setting 10-1 broad jump. It’s the best jump by an offensive lineman in combine history. Opinions on Miller are mixed but there’s been plenty of talk that some teams are willing to consider him in the first round. The NFL is desperate for explosive offensive tackles and Miller fits the bill.

— Will Hernandez was arguably the stand-out performer during drills. He did everything well, looked much more mobile than expected and put on a terrific performance. By also securing a 3.04 TEF score, he’s also clearly an explosive lineman. Today he cemented his position as a late first or early second round pick.

— Quenton Nelson is a top-10 lock and could easily go in the top five. Today he showed he’s a capable athlete managing an even more explosive TEF score than Garret Bolles (3.07 vs 3.00)

— Orlando Brown’s 1.59 TEF score is the worst we’ve calculated to date. Even when you account for his massive size (340lbs) his weighted TEF score was still abysmal. It’s going to be very difficult for a team to justify spending a first round pick on Brown based on his performance today.

— There are mixed views on where Texas’ Connor Williams will play at the next level and whether he’s worthy of a first round pick. Today he clearly showed off his athletic potential with a 3.18 TEF score. He’s explosive and will provide an intriguing project for a good O-line coach at the next level.

Looking for Seahawky running backs

The Seahawks have targeted running backs with explosive athleticism and size during the Pete Carroll era. They’ve consistently taken runners who excelled in the vertical and broad jumps. Christine Michael (220lbs), C.J. Prosise (220lbs), Robert Turbin (222lbs), Alex Collins (217lbs) and Spencer Ware (228lbs) all had similar size, height and athletic profiles.

Clearly this is a meaningful trend. The Seahawks appear to have a ‘type’. Using this information, we highlighted the following players in the previous two drafts as potential targets:

2016:

C.J. Prosise — 6-0, 220lbs, 35.5 inch vert, 10-1 broad
Kenneth Dixon — 5-10, 215lbs, 37.5 inch vert, 10-8 broad

2017:

Christopher Carson — 6-0, 218lbs, 37 inch vert, 10-10 broad
Brian Hill — 6-0, 219lbs, 34 inch vert, 10-5 broad
Alvin Kamara — 5-10, 214lbs, 39.5 inch vert, 10-11 broad
Joe Williams — 5-11, 210lbs, 35 inch vert, 10-5 broad

They eventually drafted Prosise and Carson.

Using the same approach, here’s what we learnt about the 2018 class:

Definitely fit the bill

Saquon Barkley — 6-0, 233lbs, 41 inch vert DNP broad
Kerryon Johnson — 511, 213lbs 40 inch vert, 10-6 broad
Bo Scarborough — 6-0, 228lbs, 40 inch vert, 10-9 broad
Nick Chubb — 5-11, 227lbs, 38.5 inch vert, 10-8 broad
John Kelly — 5-10, 216lbs, 35 inch vert, 10-0 broad

Borderline fit the Seahawks

Lavon Coleman — 5-10, 223lbs, 33 inch vert, 10-0 broad
Rashaad Penny — 5-11, 220lbs, 32.5 inch vert, 10-0 broad
Royce Freeman — 5-11, 229lbs, 34 inch vert, 9-10 broad

What about other key names?

— Derrius Guice didn’t do a broad jump and only managed a 31.5 inch vertical. That would be below par compared to previous Seattle running back picks.

— Ronald Jones II weighed and measured less than they usually draft (6-0, 205lbs) but he managed a promising 36.5 inch vertical and said during interviews he intends to be at 210lbs by the USC pro-day. This is one to monitor. Jones II injured his hamstring during the forty yard dash and didn’t complete a run.

— Sony Michel disappointingly didn’t compete in the broad or the vertical.

Why aren’t you focusing on speed and the forty yard dash?

Christine Michael (4.54), C.J. Prosise (4.48), Robert Turbin (4.50) and Chris Carson (4.58) were explosive rather than fast. Explosive suddenness and power over straight line speed appears to be the order of the day.

What did we learn?

— Saquon Barkley is as good as advertised. His 4.40 forty at 233lbs was quicker than Ezekiel Elliott (4.47, 225lbs) and Leonard Fournette (4.51, 240lbs). His vertical jump was superior to Julio Jones’ and he put up more bench press reps than Joe Thomas. He is an incredible athlete and the best player in the draft.

— Nick Chubb is officially back. He almost matched his fantastic SPARQ performance of 2013. His forty was similar (4.52 vs 4.47) despite being 10lbs heavier. His vertical was similar (38.5 vs 40 inches) and he managed an excellent 10-8 broad jump. Chubb is highly explosive, physical and you have to imagine will almost certainly be on Seattle’s radar.

— Kerryon Johnson is incredibly explosive. His 40 inch vertical and 10-6 broad jump are superb. Johnson is a patient, physical running back with some similarities to Chris Carson and LeVeon Bell. He was already well on our radar. Now there’s no doubt — he’s an option.

— John Kelly is a tenacious running back, a capable pass catcher and he’s willing to pass-protect. This was the kind of workout we wanted to see from him. He’s another name we need to monitor very carefully.

— I don’t know what to make of Bo Scarborough’s highly explosive testing results. If anything, it just highlights (again) what an underwhelming college career he had. Scarborough has the potential to be special. Why didn’t he show it at Alabama for more than a handful of games?

— The short shuttle results were interesting. Saquon Barkley and Nick Chubb ran similar times (4.24 and 4.25). Royce Freeman ran an impressive 4.16 and Sony Michel a 4.21. Kerryon Johnson managed a 4.29 and Bo Scarborough a 4.34. John Kelly, on the other hand, ran a disappointing 4.51.

— The key thing to know is Seattle has options, both in the early rounds and later on. If they stick to their guns on what they like in a running back prospect — they can create some great competition in camp this year.

Any predictions?

Kerryon Johnson, Nick Chubb and John Kelly will be of interest. Ronald Jones II is a different type of player with star quality — and I suspect he will be of interest too.

Derrius Guice is less likely to be an early round Seahawks pick. The jury’s out on Freeman, Penny and Michel.

Some final thoughts for today

— If the Seahawks want to spend their first pick on an interior offensive lineman, they have some great options. Billy Price and Isaiah Wynn didn’t work out here but Will Hernandez had a ‘wow’ performance.

— Mike Solari was incredibly hands-on during the O-line drills. He was constantly coaching and teaching the prospects. It was fun to get an insight into Seattle’s new O-line coach. Solari was clearly the coach in charge on the field.

— While the OL/RB drills were being conducted, the linebackers quietly measured and weighed in. This appears to be a loaded and highly appealing group of LB’s. OL-RB-LB — the three positions of apparent strength in this class. And all potential positions of need for the Seahawks.

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Live blog: Combine day one workouts — OL, RB

Welcome to our coverage of the 2018 NFL combine. Every day we’ll be updating events as they happen in Indianapolis, posting workout numbers and information.

This post will be updated consistently so keep hitting refresh.

We’ll end each day with a separate ‘review’ piece. In today’s we’ll be posting TEF results for the 2018 O-line class and reviewing which running backs fit Seattle’s prototype.

This is a vital day in the off-season. The Seahawks have to repair their running game as a priority. With a deep interior O-line class and a similarly deep group of running backs, we’ll receive a ton of information from the workouts today.

Before we get started…

I wanted to write a few thoughts down on an issue that’s been bugging me since yesterday.

The bench press.

For me, it’s the worst thing about the combine.

For starters, the ‘one weight for all’ system is seriously flawed. It’s basic physics that a man weighing 327lbs (Will Hernandez) is going to find it a lot easier to bench 225lbs than a man weighing 213lbs (Kerryon Johnson). Hernandez has far greater stability and base from which to bench. Johnson will be exerting a lot more energy simply to stabilise the bar.

Benching your body weight isn’t easy. Very few people can do it. Johnson is being asked to bench his body weight plus an extra twelve pounds. Hernandez on the other hand is being asked to bench a weight that is 102lbs lighter than his own body mass.

Hernandez was lauded for his 37 reps yesterday. You could easily argue Johnson’s 11 reps were more impressive considering the massive difference in weight.

Let’s see how many reps of 340lbs Will Hernandez can do. Then it’ll be a fair comparison between the two players.

For the running backs, generally weighing in the 210-230lbs range, being able to bench their own weight 10-15 times is pretty remarkable. For Saquon Barkley and Nick Chubb to do it 29 times is astoundingly freaky.

Overall it’s a pretty preposterous test that doesn’t truly measure explosive power or give any indication as to how much time a player spends in the gym. Quite aside from the influence of your weight, arm length is also a determining factor. A long armed offensive tackle might have a much greater one-rep max than a short armed guard — but that doesn’t show up in the ‘moar reps’ nature of the bench press test.

Now we have players like Billy Price tearing pec muscles doing the drill, no doubt trying to thrash out some early reps to get as many as possible. What is this test trying to prove? Anything more than one rep is a stamina test. How does it determine power?

In SPARQ testing they use the Powerball test. It’s a far greater measure of power and it eliminates the risk of injury. There’s a reason why SPARQ doesn’t use the bench press and it’s high time the NFL combine did the same. The bench press might look good on TV or in front of a small audience but it’s generally a waste of time.

And now I’ve got that off my chest, onto today’s workouts…

LIVE BLOG DAY ONE

Before the drills start at 6am PST, the D-line measurements are coming in:

Vita Vea
Height: 6-4
Weight: 347lbs
Hand: 10
Arm: 32 5/8
Wingspan: 76 2/8

That’s a big dude…

Maurice Hurst
Height: 6-1 2/8
Weight: 292
Hand: 9 4/8
Arm: 32
Wingspan: 76 7/8

A quick reminder — the Seahawks, to my knowledge, haven’t drafted a defensive lineman with sub-33 inch arms.

Rasheem Green
Height: 6-4 2/8
Weight: 275
Hand: 9 7/8
Arm: 33 6/8
Wingspan: 81 2/8

Taven Bryan
Height: 6-5
Weight: 291
Hand: 9 6/8
Arm: 32 6/8
Wingspan: 78 7/8

Da’Ron Payne
Height: 6-2 4/8
Weight: 311
Hand: 9 3/8
Arm: 33
Wingspan: 78 3/8

Derrick Nnadi
Height: 6-1
Weight: 317
Hand: 9 7/8
Arm: 33 4/8
Wingspan: 79 6/8

Tim Settle
Height: 6-2 6/8
Weight: 329
Hand: 9 1/8
Arm: 33
Wingspan: 78 6/8

Bradley Chubb
Height: 6-4 3/8
Weight: 269
Hand: 9 7/8
Arm: 34
Wingspan: 79

Da’Shawn Hand
Height: 6-3 5/8
Weight: 297
Hand: 9 6/8
Arm: 34 3/8
Wingspan: 80 5/8

Marquis Haynes
Height: 6-2 3/8
Weight: 235
Hand: 10
Arm: 33 2/8
Wingspan: 78 2/8

Jalyn Holmes
Height: 6-4 7/8
Weight: 283
Hand: 10
Arm: 34
Wingspan: 81 7/8

Ade Aruna
Height: 6-4 5/8
Weight: 262
Hand: 10 5/8
Arm: 34
Wingspan: 80

Dorance Armstrong
Height: 6-3 5/8
Weight: 257
Hand: 10
Arm: 34 6/8
Wingspan: 83

Sam Hubbard
Height: 6-5 3/8
Weight: 270
Hand: 10
Arm: 33 1/8
Wingspan: 78 2/8

Harold Landry
Height: 6-2 3/8
Weight: 252
Hand: 9 3/8
Arm: 32 7/8
Wingspan: 78 7/8

Arden Key
Height: 6-4 7/8
Weight: 238
Hand: Right-9 5/8, Left-10
Arm: 33 4/8
Wingspan: 82 1/8

Marcus Davenport
Height: 6-5 6/8
Weight: 264
Hand: 9 1/8
Arm: 33 5/8
Wingspan: 80 5/8

Hercules Mata’afa
Height: 6-2 2/8
Weight: 254
Hand: 10 2/8
Arm: 31 4/8
Wingspan: 76 1/8

Kentavius Street
Height: 6-2 2/8
Weight: 280
Hand: 10 2/8
Arm: 32 7/8
Wingspan: 78 6/8

Josh Sweat
Height: 6-4 6/8
Weight: 251
Hand: 10 2/8
Arm: 34 5/8
Wingspan: 84 1/8

That is an insane wingspan for Josh Sweat. Wow. One to watch during the D-line drills for sure. He blew up the SPARQ combine.

NC State duo B.J. Hill and Justin Jones both have +33 inch arms.

O-line forty yard dash times —
Group One

Brian Allen — 5.33 & 5.30
David Bright — DNP
Orlando Brown — 5.86 & 5.77
Alex Cappa — 5.36 & 5.33
Geron Christian — 5.34 & 5.31
Will Clapp — 5.40 & 5.43
Mason Cole — 5.23 & 5.30
Austin Corbett — 5.15 & 5.18
Tyrell Crosby — 5.24 & 5.20
James Daniels — DNP
Jamil Demby — 5.69 & 5.55
Nick Gates — 5.47 & 5.45
Colby Gossett — 5.21 & 5.27
Desmond Harrison — 4.90 & 4.75
Taylor Hearn — 5.45 & 5.54
Will Hernandez — 5.14 & 5.20
Jamarco Jones — 5.35 & 5.38

Mike Mayock joked Orlando Brown’s 5.86 was a ‘historically bad time’.

James Daniels says he’s not doing the forty due to a strained hamstring. He’ll do all the other drills. Mayock says Mike McGlinchey has also pulled a hamstring and likely won’t run the forty.

Onto the drills. Austin Corbett looked really good in the agility drills. Excellent kick step, the most fluid among the first group of offensive linemen. Balanced, in control. Very impressive.

Will Hernandez continues to build his stock. He ran well in the forty and doesn’t look sluggish at all. He dropped 13lbs from the Senior Bowl to the combine and it shows. He’s moving well.

New O-line coach Mike Solari is overseeing some of the drills this morning:

Here’s Solari speaking to Will Hernandez before a cone drill, requiring the O-liners to change direction. Hernandez nailed this drill too, showing off superb mobility. He’s having a fantastic combine so far:

The second cone drill asked the players to line up and simulate a pull to the left. Again, Hernandez just looked so smooth. Corbett also again showed well as did Jamarco Jones.

Now the bags are coming out for another pull-simulation.

Solari is bossing these prospects, leading the drills and coaching the players up. He’s not the only coach down there but he’s the one doing the teaching. It’s encouraging to see him operate in such a hands-on way.

He’s also referring to the bags as a ‘shield’ which raised a smile.

The kick-slide drill is a bit of a mess so far. The Houston O-line coach has taken over and several of the players have struggled to round the cones properly.

Without wanting to keep harping on about the same player over and over again — but Will Hernandez once again excelled here. He just looks so incredibly smooth. It’s not been a particularly impressive display from these players so far but Hernandez has really stood out. He just looks better than the rest.

On his second attempt, he barely broke sweat with a sublime kick slide. A lot of the prospects in group one are struggling to do what the coaches are asking. Hernandez just looks fantastic.

The first batch of official 40 times are out:

The first group of linemen are now going through the agility drill. The players drop back and have to show loose hips. It’s really a defensive back drill but it’s still a good way to judge mobility with the big guys too.

Hernandez was perfectly fine here. Not the smoothest but he’s not a highly athletic offensive tackle. Jamarco Jones really struggled in this drill. They didn’t show Austin Corbett’s attempt.

Now it’s the mirror drill. Michigan’s Mason Cole sunk his hips well and did well here. Austin Corbett was in complete control during his attempt. Shaun O’Hara praised Tyrell Crosby’s rep on the NFL Network but I thought his footwork was really choppy, overly active and he almost lost his footing. James Daniels had a much more in control performance on the next snap, Mayock raved about his mirror drill. Mayock: “No wasted movement… his hips, he dropped into position and just stayed there.”

Hernandez looked great in his drill but was helped by the rabbit just running back and forth. He didn’t have to change direction much. Hernandez does look twitchy and athletic though. Much more so than expected. It’s so impressive. Can’t wait to see his broad/vertical numbers. Jamarco Jones also had a good rep in the mirror drill.

That concludes group one for the offensive linemen.

The linebacker weigh-ins are now taking place. Here are the highlights:

Tremaine Edmunds
Height: 6-4 4/8
Weight: 253
Hand: 9 3/8
Arm: 34 4/8
Wingspan: 83

That is incredible length for Edmunds. He’s a top-10 lock.

LB Roquan Smith
Height: 6-0 7/8
Weight: 236
Hand: 10
Arm: 32
Wingspan: 77

Leighton Vander Esch
Height: 6-4 2/8
Weight: 256
Hand: 9 6/8
Arm: 33 7/8
Wingspan: 81 1/8

Rashaan Evans
Height: 6-1 7/8
Weight: 232
Hand: 10
Arm: 32 2/8
Wingspan: 77 2/8

Jerome Baker
Height: 6-1 1/8
Weight: 229
Hand: 10 3/8
Arm: 31 4/8
Wingspan: 76 1/8

Lorenzo Carter
Height: 6-4 7/8
Weight: 250
Hand: 10 3/8
Arm: 34
Wingspan: 82

Jeff Holland
Height: 6-1 3/8
Weight: 249
Hand: 10 4/8
Arm: 33 4/8
Wingspan: 80

Malik Jefferson
Height: 6-2 2/8
Weight: 236
Hand: 9 5/8
Arm: 32
Wingspan: 74 2/8

Darius Leonard
Height: 6-2
Weight: 234
Hand: 10 2/8
Arm: 34 3/8
Wingspan: 82 1/8

Kolton Miller just set a record for offensive linemen in the broad jump, managing a 10-1. Wow. That is incredible. He’s going to destroy TEF at this rate. I did not expect that at all.

Miller’s broad jump was the best since records were kept in 2006. Here are the top five:

Kolton Miller — 10-1
Lane Johnson — 9-10
Taylor Lewan — 9-9
Eric Fisher — 9-8
Garett Bolles — 9-7

Miller has shown, with that jump, he’s explosive enough to warrant first round consideration.

He also managed a 31.5 inch vertical. He’s a 3.31 TEF prospect. Only Jason Spriggs topped that in the last two years (3.54).

Vertical jumps:

Mike McGlinchey — 28.5
Scott Quessenberry — 33.5
Kolton Miller — 31.5
Orlando Brown — 19.5
Quenton Nelson — 26.5
Braden Smith — 33.5
Austin Corbett — 28
Tyrell Crosby — 30
James Daniels — 30.5
Will Hernandez — 24
Jamarco Jones — 24
Chukwuma Okorafor — 23.5
Brian O’Neill — 29.5
Coleman Shelton — 26.5
Connor Williams — 34

Broad jumps:

Connor Williams — 9-4
Braden Smith — 9-5
Quenton Nelson — 8-9
Orlando Brown — 6-10

John Schneider is speaking to the media:

Quick final note on the bench press — Saquon Barkley’s reps looked a little suspicious. His technique was terrible and it wasn’t clear whether he was locking out. Chubb did 29 legit reps. Barkley in comparison looked like he was doing a few half reps.

O-line forty yard dash times —
Group Two

Jaryd Jones-Smith — 5.27 & 5.23
Cole Madison — 5.34 & 5.37
K.J. Malone — 5.34 & 5.30
K.C. McDermott — 5.35 & 5.31
Mike McGlinchey — DNP
Kolton Miller — 4.98 & 4.91
Quenton Nelson — DNP
Joseph Noteboom — 4.96 & DNP
Chukwuma Okorafor — 5.32 & 5.31
Brian O’Neill — 4.80 & 4.82
Brandon Parker — 5.45 & 5.37
Skyler Phillips — 5.09 & 5.11
Billy Price — DNP
Scott Quessenberry — 5.10 & 5.16
Frank Ragnow — DNP
Martinas Rankin — DNP
Will Richardson — 5.22 & 5.23
Greg Senat — 5.38 & 5.38
Coleman Shelton — 5.24 & 5.21
Braden Smith — 5.21 & 5.26
Rod Taylor — 5.30 & 5.25
Wyatt Teller — 5.30 & 5.24
Brett Toth — DNP
Salesi Uhatafe — 5.40 & 5.39
Toby Weathersby — 5.35 & 5.36
Sean Welsh — 5.45 & 5.40
Connor Williams — 5.06 & 5.07
Isaiah Wynn — DNP

Mike McGlinchey has a hamstring issue so isn’t running the forty. He will do the other drills. Isaiah Wynn is recovering from surgery to repair a torn labrum. He played through the Senior Bowl with the problem. Frank Ragnow is recovering from injury too and Billy Price partially tore a pec during the bench press yesterday. Quenton Nelson isn’t running, apparently due to an injury too. Martinas Rankin also didn’t run.

Dave Gettleman, new Giants GM, was falling asleep while watching the second group run. And to his misfortune, it happened right when the NFL Network camera focused on him. Here he is nodding off:

Onto the O-line drills for the second group. First up, the agility and change of direction test. Mike McGlinchey looked quite stiff. Kolton Miller was a lot smoother despite his great height/size. Quenton Nelson was in complete control and just looks like such a natural. Great drill.

Brian O’Neill had arguably the best performance though in this drill. You can see he’s a former tight end. He ran well in the forty and looked much more mobile than any of the others in this group. His tape and Senior Bowl was a bit frustrating to watch but he has potential.

They made Braden Smith stop and restart his drill after he made an error. When he finally got going he looked quick and athletic.

Mike Solari is back orchestrating things now, setting up the next batch of drills.

The NFL Network isn’t focusing as much on the drills currently. From what I’ve seen, Cole Madison looks quite mobile and has executed well in the pulling/bag drills.

Mike McGlinchey was a little wide in his pull to the right. Mike Solari, like a school teacher, amusingly shouted, ‘Michael, Michael, Michael!’ before giving some advice/guidance on how to execute better. Solari is really working with the O-liners here, extremely hands-on. Very encouraging to see how active he is working with these players to master the fine details in each drill.

Coleman Shelton isn’t the most athletic player in group two (waist bender in the agility test earlier) but when he gets an opportunity to attack the pads and be physical, he’s doing a great job.

The NFL Network didn’t show most of the kick-slide drills in group two as they had extended coverage (or so it seemed) of the coin toss for the #9/#10 pick.

Brian O’Neill looked quick and smooth in his kick-slide. Kolton Miller also had a smooth drill. No surprises there. Both have worked out well so far.

In the back-pedal drill to test agility, O’Neill really excelled. Looked superb. Connor Williams, a 3.18 TEF tester, also looked good.

Time for the mirror drill to finish before the running backs join the party.

Mike McGlinchey isn’t doing the mirror. Kolton Miller looked in control, very relaxed. Quenton Nelson got too deep in his set and received a real test from his rabbit Jaryd Jones-Smith. Nelson, for the first time, struggled a little bit. Brian O’Neill looked even better than Miller — really strong performance in the mirror drill. Coleman Shelton was hunched over in his drill, bending his waist again. Braden Smith had a really strong performance with great balance and knee bend. Very impressive from the most explosive O-liner in this draft class.

Coin Toss

The 49ers and the Raiders had a coin toss to determine who would pick 9th and 10th in the draft. The 49ers won the toss, so San Francisco owns the #9 pick.

Early TEF scores

I’ll post the full list later:

Braden Smith — 3.52
Kolton Miller — 3.31
Connor Williams — 3.18
Quenton Nelson — 3.07

Running back runs and jumps

Vertical jumps:

Saquon Barkley — 41 inches
Nick Chubb — 38.5 inches

Chubb managed a 40-inch vertical at the SPARQ combine. He’s heavier here and still managed a 38.5 despite having to recover from a knee injury. That is very encouraging.

Running back forty yard dash times — Group One

Josh Adams — DNP
Kalen Ballage — 4.46 & 4.57
Saquon Barkley — 4.41 & 4.42
Nick Bawden — DNP
Nick Chubb — 4.53 & 4.58
Lavon Coleman — 4.66 & 4.69
Justin Crawford — 4.65 & 4.65
Chase Edmonds — 4.57 & 4.56
Donnie Ernsberger — 4.84 & 4.78
Dimitri Flowers — 4.83 & 4.87
Jarvion Franklin — 4.63 & 4.63
Royce Freeman — 4.59 & 4.55
Derrius Guice — 4.49 & 4.60
Kyle Hicks — 4.64 & 4.64
Nyheim Hines — 4.39 & 4.38
Justin Jackson — 4.50 & 4.53
Kerryon Johnson — DNP
Ronald Jones II — Pulled up injured
John Kelly — DNP
Sony Michel — 4.58 & 4.55
Ryan Nall — 4.67 & 4.59
Rashaad Penny — 4.47 & 4.47
Kamryn Pettway — 4.75 & 4.85
Demario Richard — 4.71 & 4.71
Bo Scarborough — 4.61 & 4.52
Roc Thomas — 4.56 & 4.63
Akrum Wadley — 4.59 & 4.54
Mark Walton — 4.64 & 4.61
Chris Warren — 4.70 & 4.70
Jordan Wilkins — DNP
Darrel Williams — 4.72 & 4.73

Ronald Jones II pulled up during his run with what looked like a hamstring strain, adding to the misery of Billy Price’s injury yesterday and the fact Isaiah Wynn didn’t workout with a torn labrum. It feels like we’ve cursed them.

Kerryon Johnson and John Kelly didn’t run.

That explains what happened to Ronald Jones II.

Pete Carroll and John Schneider were watching the running backs closely:

Despite not running the forty, Kerryon Johnson and John Kelly are both going through drills. Nick Chubb appears light and sharp running over the bags and changing direction.

I’m closing the live blog for now. Going to post the TEF scores shortly, plus some very interesting news on the running backs. Stay tuned.

Combine: Billy Price injured in the bench press

This wasn’t the start to the combine we were looking for…

Price, the highly talented interior offensive linemen, was expected to have a great workout. It remains to be seen whether he’ll do anything on Friday. Hopefully this isn’t a serious injury.

It does beg the question (again) — why is the bench press still used to determine power? Multiple reps of an achievable weight is really a test of strength/stamina. And if you weigh +300lbs, it’s a lot easier to bench 225lbs than it is if you’re a 210lbs receiver, so ‘one weight for all’ is also a little bit off.

They use the powerball toss in SPARQ. I’m not sure why they aren’t doing it at the combine too:

Billy Price isn’t injuring his shoulder doing the Powerball toss and it’s a better measure of explosive power. The Powerball also takes away the disadvantage players with longer arms experience.

Isaiah Wynn isn’t working out at the combine as he recovers from a torn labrum. Now Price might be out too. Not a good start.

In terms of the bench results, they’re starting to come in. For the purposes of TEF, 27 reps is the ideal mark you want to hit:

Braden Smith — 35 reps
Connor Williams — 26 reps
Frank Ragnow — 26 reps
Quenton Nelson — 35 reps
Kolton Miller — 24 reps
Chukwuma Okorafor — 19 reps
Orlando Brown — 14 reps
Will Hernandez — 37 reps
Mason Cole — 23 reps
Austin Corbett — 19 reps
Tyrell Crosby — 17 reps
James Daniels — 21 reps
Mike McGlinchey — 27 reps
Brian O’Neill — 22 reps
Wyatt Teller — 30 reps

Auburn guard Braden Smith is set up to have a big combine performance that could really bolster his stock. 35 reps on the bench press is a good start.

Orlando Brown only managed 14 reps but he has 35 inch arms. Again, this is the problem with the bench press. Brown might be able to do a heavier one-rep bench than some of the other O-liners in this draft. Yet he’s at a disadvantage in this test because he has to do more work with longer arms.

Will Hernandez is meeting with the Seahawks today:

The running backs also took part in the bench press:

Saquon Barkley — 29 reps
Nick Chubb — 29 reps
Kalen Ballage — 15 reps
Lavon Coleman — 23 reps
Josh Adams — 18 reps
Royce Freeman — 17 reps
Derrius Guice — 15 reps
Ronald Jones II — DNP
Rashaad Penny — 13 reps
Sony Michel — 22 reps
Bo Scarborough — 14 reps
Akrum Wadley — 12 reps
Mark Walton — 18 reps
Kamryn Pettway — 22 reps
Chris Warren — 25 reps
Jordan Wilkins — 16 reps
Darrel Williams — 22 reps
John Kelly — 15 reps
Kerryon Johnson — 11 reps

Nick Chubbs’ combine is off to a great start.

A quick further note on the running back bench numbers. Remember, these RB’s weigh a lot less than the offensive linemen. For Kerryon Johnson to bench 11 reps of 225lbs despite weighing only 213lbs — that’s actually pretty impressive. More so than 20 reps of 225lbs if you weigh over 300lbs.

It’s very difficult to bench your own weight. None of the offensive linemen weigh 225lbs. It’s a much easier test for them.

Chubb and Barkley’s attempts are frankly astonishing and none of the players above had a poor performance.

Pete Carroll also spoke to the media today:

Combine measurements: OL & RB + live Google Hangout

Here is today’s live Google Hangout Q&A, plus some thoughts on the running game. Thank you for your questions!

Today is a big day. The O-line and running back measurements are key. In particular, we know the Seahawks like their runners to be between 5-10 and 6-0 in height and approximately 210-225lbs in weight. They also like explosive runners — the RB’s will test on Friday.

Here are some highlighted prospects:

Kerryon Johnson — 5-11, 213lbs
Royce Freeman — 5-11, 229lbs
Rashaad Penny — 5-11, 220lbs
Sony Michel — 5-10, 214lbs
Nick Chubb — 5-11, 227lbs
Derrius Guice — 5-10, 224lbs
Saquon Barkley — 6-0, 233lbs
Ronald Jones II — 5-11, 205lbs
Bo Scarborough — 6-1, 228lbs

There are no big surprises here among the main group. Sony Michel is a few pounds lighter than expected while Derrius Guice is quite a bit heavier. The expectation was that Michel would weigh 220lbs (perhaps he dropped weight in an attempt to run faster?) while the projection for Guice was about 214lbs.

The good news is, that’s a long list of quality running backs that fit Seattle’s apparent preferred size/weight profile.

I’m going to spend tonight watching Tennessee’s John Kelly. Despite being expected to weigh about 205lbs, he came in at 216lbs and only a shade under 5-10. He’s a tough runner.

Ronald Jones II is lighter and would clearly be a deviation from their previous plan. However, he’s not 190lbs or anything. He’s still reasonably sized at 205lbs for the kind of runner he is. Jamaal Charles weighed 200lbs at his combine. It really depends what Seattle is looking for.

The Seahawks could sign a veteran running back before the draft, either to add experience or to act as a hedge. The Panthers released Jonathan Stewart today and he could be an option.

As Jonathan Jones from the Charlotte Observer notes, Pete Carroll is a fan:

“He looks like he did running in high school. He’s just been ripping,” said Seattle coach Pete Carroll, who tried to lure Stewart to Southern California before he chose Oregon. “I watched him and recruited and tried to get him way back then.”

Before Seattle’s NFC Divisional round game against the Panthers during the 2014 season, Carroll also had this to say about Stewart:

“He’s a fantastic football player. I’ve always loved this kid the way he runs. He’s always been a guy that has a knack to just keep getting through tackles.”

Perhaps Carroll will end up working with him after all? Stewart turns 31 in March.

The offensive linemen also had a good day, with several showing good size/length.

Isaiah Wynn — 6-3, 313lbs, 33 3/8 inch arms, 78 7/8 inch wingspan
Connor Williams — 6-5, 296lbs, 33 inch arms, 77 7/8 inch wingspan
Braden Smith — 6-6, 315lbs, 32 3/8 inch arms, 78 1/8 inch wingspan
Martinas Rankin — 6-4, 308lbs, 33 6/8 inch arms, 81 3/8 inch wingspan
Frank Ragnow — 6-5, 312lbs, 33 1/8 inch arms, 78 7/8 inch wingspan
Billy Price — 6-4, 305lbs, 32 inch arms, 75 2/8 inch wingspan
Brian O’Neill — 6-7, 297lbs, 34 inch arms, 78 4/8 inch wingspan
Chukwuma Okorafor — 6-6, 320lbs, 34 1/2 inch arms, 83 3/8 inch wingspan
Kolton Miller — 6-8, 309lbs, 34 inch arms, 82 1/2 inch wingspan
Mike McGlinchey — 6-8, 309lbs, 34 inch arms, 81 inch wingspan
Jaryd Jones-Smith — 6-6, 317lbs, 36 2/8 inch arms, 88 1/2 inch wingspan
Quenton Nelson — 6-5, 325lbs, 33 6/8 inch arms, 82 5/8 inch wingspan
Will Hernandez — 6-2, 327lbs, 32 inch arms, 77 6/8 inch wingspan
James Daniels — 6-3, 306lbs, 33 6/8 inch arms, 80 2/8 inch wingspan
Tyrell Crosby — 6-5, 309lbs, 35 2/8 inch arms, 83 2/8 inch wingspan
Austin Corbett — 6-4, 306lbs, 33 1/8 inch arms, 78 7/8 inch wingspan
Jamarco Jones — 6-4, 299lbs, 35 1/8 inch arms, 85 1/8 inch wingspan
Orlando Brown — 6-8, 345lbs, 35 inch arms, 85 1/8 inch wingspan

Georgia’s Isaiah Wynn (who won’t work out as he recovers from a torn labrum) isn’t as small as some expected. For me he has a chance to be a Zack Martin level player at the next level. Billy Price has short 32 inch arms that might limit him to center at the next level. It’ll be interesting to see how teams react to that.

There’s incredible length and size among this group. Look how many players are in the 6-7/6-8 height range with vines for arms. Jaryd Jones-Smith has a freakish 88 1/2 inch wingspan which is just incredible. Orlando Brown is a mountain of a man and Jamarco Jones has legit tackle size/length.

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The ultimate Seahawks 2018 combine preview

Groups 1-3 (PK, ST, OL, RB)

Arrival: Tuesday
Measurements: Wednesday
Bench press: Thursday
On-field drills: Friday

Braden Smith could be one of the stars on Friday

Offensive linemen
For the last two years we’ve used a formula called TEF to measure explosive physical traits. It proved to be an accurate way of predicting which offensive linemen the Seahawks might be targeting. In light of Tom Cable’s departure (due to his influence on the system) it’s unclear if it’ll be quite as useful in the future. Either way, it’s still a good way to compare the offensive and defensive linemen and measure explosive physical traits.

Why are they important? Pat Kirwan — a confidant of Pete Carroll — tells us why in this piece:

Every time a ball is snapped to start a play there is a critical element of explosiveness that takes place. When two players collide in an attempt to physically dominate each other, the athlete with the edge in explosiveness has the best chance to win the confrontation. It could be a blocker vs. a tackler, a tackler vs. a ball carrier, or many other examples of winning at the point of contact.

Explosiveness is defined in the dictionary as a violent release of energy, a sudden outburst. Football is a series of explosions. How do you measure it in athletes trying to play NFL football?

Take the vertical jump, standing broad jump and the bench press test results and add them together. If the combined score is over 70 there is a reason to consider the candidate at some point in the draft process for his explosiveness.

Kirwan’s formula is flawed because it diminishes the impact of the broad jump. A superb 9-7 only achieves a 1.2 point advantage over a below par 8-5. That’s why we developed our own formula (TEF) to essentially do what Kirwan intended — measure explosive traits equally and emphasise their combined importance.

Let me make this clear (you’d be shocked how often I have to highlight this) — TEF is not an attempt to determine who is a good or bad offensive linemen. It’s merely a calculation to judge explosive traits. And while that’s only one part of any evaluation — it’s still a relevant part of analysing a prospect or draft class.

For more on TEF, including a breakdown of the calculation, click here.

Key tests
Vertical, Broad, Bench

Ideal size
6-3/6-5, 305-320lbs, 35 inch arms, +31 inch vertical, +9’ broad, +30 bench reps

Interesting note
For a long time we’ve been discussing the league-wide problem of the athletic discrepancy between college O-lines and D-lines. The best athletes are choosing to play defense. TEF helped us define the problem. At the 2016 and 2017 combines, there were a total of 56 ‘explosive’ defensive linemen (explosive = a score of 3.00 or higher). In comparison, there were only nine explosive offensive linemen. It’s a problem that simply isn’t being addressed and the NFL is suffering as a consequence.

The best drill to watch
The mirror drill. Two linemen stand opposite each other, with one acting as ‘the rabbit’. He’ll move around and change direction and it’s up to the participant to stick. It’s an important test of footwork, agility, mobility, balance, control and stamina. It’s also a good gauge of pass protection skills. Germain Ifedi boosted his stock in 2016 when he performed well in this drill working opposite Laremy Tunsil.

Three names to watch
Billy Price (Ohio State), Braden Smith (Auburn), Austin Corbett (Nevada)

Positional notes
This appears to be a strong year for interior offensive linemen but a relatively weak year at tackle. Georgia’s Isaiah Wynn and Arkansas’ Frank Ragnow are not performing due to injury. Auburn’s Braden Smith is a name to watch — he’s expected to have an excellent work out and could be one of the stars of the combine. Ohio State’s Billy Price could surprise people with the way he tests. Pittsburgh’s Brian O’Neill struggled at the Senior Bowl but as a former tight end could boost his stock in Indianapolis.

Importance to the Seahawks
They’re likely to prioritise repairing the running game and with an opening at guard, a new O-line coach and the possibility of changes — spending another early pick on an interior offensive linemen appears likely.

The big RB story is clear — how explosive is Nick Chubb after his knee injury?

Running backs
It’s clear the Seahawks have a preferred profile and as a consequence, it’s been relatively simple to get a grasp on the running backs they like.

Explosive traits, physicality, size (approx. 220lbs) and running style are the key aspects. Christine Michael (220lbs), C.J. Prosise (220lbs), Robert Turbin (222lbs), Alex Collins (217lbs) and Spencer Ware (228lbs) all had similar size, height and athletic profiles.

Following the 2016 and 2017 combines, we were able to use Seattle’s draft history to identify these possible targets:

2016:

C.J. Prosise — 6-0, 220lbs, 35.5 inch vert, 10-1 broad
Kenneth Dixon — 5-10, 215lbs, 37.5 inch vert, 10-8 broad

2017:

Christopher Carson — 6-0, 218lbs, 37 inch vert, 10-10 broad
Brian Hill — 6-0, 219lbs, 34 inch vert, 10-5 broad
Alvin Kamara — 5-10, 214lbs, 39.5 inch vert, 10-11 broad
Joe Williams — 5-11, 210lbs, 35 inch vert, 10-5 broad

They drafted Prosise and Carson. It’s interesting to note how limited the ‘explosive’ options were in the two previous drafts. We’ll see if this class is deeper and whether the Seahawks will stick to their preferred physical profile or go in a different direction (note: they’d have to deviate to draft Ronald Jones II).

Key tests
Vertical, Broad

Ideal size
5-11, 220lbs, +36 inch vertical, +10 broad

Interesting note
The Seahawks haven’t drafted for speed at the position in the Pete Carroll era. They’ve consistently taken running backs in the 4.47-4.55 type of range. Christine Michael (4.54), C.J. Prosise (4.48), Robert Turbin (4.50) and Chris Carson (4.58) were explosive rather than fast. Explosive suddenness and power over straight line speed appears to be the order of the day.

The best drill to watch
The footage will be limited but absolutely it’s the coverage of the vertical and broad jump. Explosive traits are key. It’s nice to see the running backs cutting against pads while showing body control and quickness in the open field. Very few positions though rely on explosive power like running back.

Three names to watch
Nick Chubb (Georgia), Ronald Jones II (USC), Kerryon Johnson (Auburn)

Positional notes
How many players fit Seattle’s prototype? That’s question number one before anything else. Saquon Barkley will be highly explosive (guaranteed) but is he as fast as everyone says? Derrius Guice isn’t likely to have a great combine but can he do a lot better than his seriously underwhelming SPARQ performance? Is Ronald Jones II as fast as Jamaal Charles (4.38)? Is Sony Michel more explosive than he was at SPARQ (he needs to be)? With no previous testing info, how explosive/athletic is Kerryon Johnson? Likewise — is Rashaad Penny special or a byproduct of his environment? The most interesting moment though will be Nick Chubb’s performance. At the Nike SPARQ combine in 2013 he had one of the all-time great tests, showing world class athleticism and explosion. He’s since suffered a serious knee injury so it’ll be fascinating to see how different he is physically. Don’t be shocked if he’s back to nearly full power and blows the roof off Lucas Oil Stadium.

Importance to the Seahawks
Simply put, they have to tap into this running back class. Seattle’s running game has collapsed and while the national media is focusing on defensive backs galore — the big need for this team is to finally get the running game going again.

Groups 4-6 (QB, WR, TE)

Arrival: Wednesday
Measurements: Thursday
Bench press: Friday
On-field drills: Saturday

Quarterbacks
There’s little point focusing too much on the quarterbacks here unless it’s to keep an eye on who Arizona might trade up for. We’ll see if the big names work out (Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Mayfield, Jackson). Arm strength and accuracy are judged in the throwing drills and it feels like there’s a big opportunity for these players to move up boards.

Interesting note
The Seahawks have only drafted one quarterback in the Pete Carroll era (Russell Wilson).

Three names to watch
Josh Allen (Wyoming), Sam Darnold (USC), Lamar Jackson (Louisville)

Auden Tate could be a big bodied red zone target to replace Jimmy Graham

Wide receivers
Kenny Lawler (4.64) and Chris Harper (4.50) are the only receivers they’ve drafted who didn’t run in the 4.4’s. Paul Richardson (4.40), Golden Tate (4.42), Tyler Lockett (4.40), Kris Durham (4.46), Kevin Norwood (4.48), Amara Darboh (4.45) and David Moore (4.42) all cracked the 4.4’s. Kris Durham (216lbs), Chris Harper (229lbs), Kenny Lawler (203lbs), Amara Darboh (214lbs) and David Moore (219lbs) are the only five receivers drafted that were +200lbs.

They might be on the look out for a bigger target this year, especially if Jimmy Graham moves on. Some of his red zone production will hopefully be shifted onto the running game but having found an effective weapon there, they’ll want at least one big body to throw at with a short field.

Interesting note
The best non-FA athlete Seattle has acquired in the Carroll/Schneider era was an UDFA — Ricardo Lockette. He ran a 4.41, had a 39-inch vertical and a 6.76 three-cone. He was also well-sized at 211lbs with 33.5-inch arms. The Seahawks have been comfortable bringing in high-ceiling UDFA receivers, finding success with Lockette, Doug Baldwin and Jermaine Kearse. If they’re really going ‘back to the future’ to reload this team, they might be looking for another cheap receiver to replace some of the ‘bigger name’ targets of recent years.

Key test
Forty, vertical, catching drills (proper technique)

Ideal size
6-1, 210lbs, 4.45 forty

The best drill to watch
Any drill that clearly shows the receiver’s catching technique. It’s extremely important. Only when you watch the drills do you realise how many bad habits these receivers have. You want to see a wide out cupping his hands and showing them to the ball. No alligator arms, no fighting the ball or snatching at it. Watch the downfield throws too and see who is good at high pointing the football, showing body control.

Three names to watch
Javon Wims (Georgia), Auden Tate (Florida State), Keke Coutee (Texas Tech)

Positional assessment
It’s a pretty ‘meh’ group of receivers overall. The value in the early rounds isn’t great and is likely to be better between rounds 3-7. LSU’s D.J. Chark was one of the standout performers at the Senior Bowl. It’ll be interesting to see how Washington’s Dante Pettis performs. Is Maryland’s D.J. Moore slow? He’s a tenacious, physical receiver but is he quick enough? How fast is T.Y. Hilton clone Keke Coutee? How will some of the bigger guys like Auden Tate, Javon Wims, Marcell Ateman, Simmie Cobbs Jr and Jaleel Scott perform? Can USC’s Steven Mitchell show well and can Anthony Miller ease some of the concerns about his athleticism and injury history? Plus how will teams view problem child Antonio Callaway during interviews? He’s immensely talented but can you trust him?

Importance to the Seahawks
With Paul Richardson a free agent, Tyler Lockett a year away from free agency and Amara Darboh having an ineffective first season, this could be a position of interest. The crop of free agent receivers could be more appealing but expect at least one wide out to be drafted. They could use a big, athletic target.

Dalton Schultz loves to block

Tight ends
The three tight ends Seattle’s drafted — Nick Vannett, Luke Willson and Anthony McCoy — are all quite different. Vannett was considered a throw-back style blocker with some pass-catching potential. Willson ran a 4.51 at his pro-day with a 38-inch vertical. McCoy ran a 4.78 but was familiar with Carroll and had great size and big mitts.

This is one of the more unpredictable positions to judge for Seattle. They tried to turn Jimmy Graham into the ‘complete tight end’ but settled on making him a red zone machine in 2017. If Graham moves on, do they look for an athletic replacement or another ‘Y’ tight end?

This TE class isn’t like last years. It’s possible we won’t see a tight end drafted in the first two rounds. We might not see a truly dynamic athlete like O.J. Howard, David Njoku or George Kittle either.

Key test
Vertical, Broad, Bench, Forty

Ideal size
6-5, 250-265lbs, +34-inch arms, +10-inch hands

Interesting note
In 2010 when Jimmy Graham was drafted in round three by the Saints — the following players left the board between pick #95 and Seattle’s next pick at #111: Everson Griffen, Alterraun Verner, Darrell Stuckey and Geno Atkins. The Seahawks took Kam Chancellor at #133. The 2010 draft had some depth.

Best drill to watch
There’s very little to gain by watching the blocking drills so like the receivers, check out a players catching technique. Is he cupping his hands and showing to the football, or is he fighting the ball?

Three names to watch
Dalton Schultz (Stanford), Durham Smythe (Notre Dame), Will Dissly (Washington)

Positional assessment
If the Seahawks are looking for an athletic replacement for Graham, players like Ian Thomas at Indiana or Mike Gesicki at Penn State could be in play. For the most part this is not a good class of blocking tight ends. Unsurprisingly, the two schools that still utilise orthodox ‘Y’ tight ends and focus on the running game have produced two possible options. Stanford’s Dalton Schultz is a tremendous blocker especially in the running game and could easily be a Seahawks target. How long are his arms and how athletic is he? Notre Dame’s Durham Smythe had an excellent Senior Bowl and is also an adept blocker. He had short arms at the Senior Bowl but how accurate was the measurement? These measurements have a habit of changing at the combine. Those are the two names I’ll be focusing on the most, alongside Washington’s Will Disly and Florida State’s Ryan Izzo.

Importance to the Seahawks?
Very important. At the moment the only contracted tight ends in Seattle are Nick Vannett and Tyrone Swoopes. Luke Willson could return but the writing appears to be on the wall for Jimmy Graham. They could sign a free agent but another ‘Y’ tight end like Schultz or Smythe could be the order of the day in the middle rounds.

Groups 7-9 (DL, LB)

Arrival: Thursday
Measurements: Friday
Bench press: Saturday
On-field drills: Sunday

Josh Sweat is so athletic they even gave him a plaque

Defensive line
The Seahawks do appear to have defined preferences at each of the different positions. For example, Seattle hasn’t drafted a defensive lineman or EDGE rusher with sub-33 inch arms. Quinton Jefferson, Jordan Hill, Jaye Howard and Malik McDowell all tested superbly in the short shuttle (4.37, 4.51, 4.47 and 4.53 respectively). If they’re looking for a quicker, interior pass-rush option — this drill appears to be significant.

Twitchy athletes with great burst are their thing at DE/EDGE. The 10-yard split is clearly important. EDGE rushers Bruce Irvin and Cliff Avril ran 1.55 and 1.50 splits respectively. Anything in the 1.5’s is considered ‘elite’. If you’re looking for a possible LEO in this draft class then you need to be keeping an eye out for the 1.50-1.59 10-yard splits.

The splits are also important for inside/out rushers or interior pass rushers. Frank Clark was considered more of an explosive inside/out rusher and he ran a 1.69 split at 271lbs. Malik McDowell managed the same 1.69 split at 295lbs.

Dynamic quickness is a trend for EDGE players. Bruce Irvin (4.03) and Frank Clark (4.05) both ran incredible short shuttles. Cassius Marsh’s 4.25 and Obum Gwacham’s 4.28 were also really good.

There were serious concerns about McDowell’s effort and attitude but he put on a show at the combine. He’s 295lbs with great height (6-6) and length (35 inch arms) and ran a 4.85 with a 1.69 split. His three cone (4.53) was the same as Dalvin Cook’s.

Of all the positions not to overreact to, D-line might be one of them. For whatever reason, pass rushers seem to last. We spent a lot of time in 2011 talking about Justin Houston as a possible LEO target. He lasted into round three. A year ago Kansas State’s Jordan Willis had a fantastic workout and also lasted into round three. His 1.54 10-yard split was the best for a +250lbs player since Cliff Avril’s 1.50.

This is worth taking into account if someone like Rutgers’ Kemoko Turay has a great combine. He might get talked up a lot — but he could still last into the middle rounds for a team like Seattle in clear need of adding a LEO.

Key tests
Vertical, Broad, Bench, Short Shuttle, Three-cone, 10-yard split (forty)

Ideal size
DL — 6-2/6-4, 300-310lbs, +33 inch arms, +31 inch vertical, +9’ broad, 4.50 ss
LEO — 6-4, 250lbs, +33 inch arms, 1.50-1.59 10-yard split

Interesting note
The Seahawks have only drafted 5 players with a +140 SPARQ score. Christine Michael (150), Kevin Pierre-Louis (149) and Bobby Wagner (147) were the only three to beat Bruce Irvin (144) and Frank Clark (142).

Best drill to watch
Just absorb everything. The D-line drills are the most entertaining, most fan-friendly of all the combine events. The bag drills, the swim/rip drills, the club, the working in space. It’s a real show of the most explosive athletes in college football competing in one venue.

Three names to watch
Josh Sweat (Florida State), Vita Vea (Washington), Rasheem Green (USC)

Positional assessment
Rutgers Kemoko Turay and Georgia’s Lorenzo Carter are two LEO or SAM possibilities but both are working out with the linebackers. Is Bradley Chubb as impressive physically as his cousin Nick Chubb? How big is Tim Settle and how does he perform at his size? Florida State’s Josh Sweat had an incredible SPARQ workout and if he’s healthy, could be one of the stars of the weekend. Vita Vea will confirm his top-10 pick status when he runs a sub-5.00 forty. What shape is Arden Key in? Can Marcus Davenport secure a place in the top-20? How big/long is Maurice Hurst and what is his 10-yard split? What kind of athletes are Dorrance Armstrong and Jeff Holland? Is Sam Hubbard more than an average athlete? How much potential does Da’Shawn Hand possess? Can Tyquan Lewis and Andrew Brown, two Senior Bowl standouts, boost their stock? USC’s Rasheem Green could put on a show (his short shuttle should be epic) and how much potential does Taven Bryan truly have? There’s so much to discover with this group.

Importance to the Seahawks?
It depends what happens over the next few weeks. If they move on from Cliff Avril, Michael Bennett and Sheldon Richardson, this becomes a huge need area. And who knows what’s happening with Malik McDowell? At the very least it feels like they need to add a LEO.

If he runs a 1.5 10-yard split, Kemoko Turay could be a LEO candidate

Linebackers
The Seahawks have drafted a collection of freakish athletes at linebacker since 2010. Kevin Pierre-Louis, Korey Toomer, Malcolm Smith and Eric Pinkins all ran between a 4.44 and a 4.51 in the forty. KPL, Smith and Pinkins all jumped +39 inches in the vertical. Bobby Wagner was a 4.4 runner at his pro-day with a 39.5-inch vertical. Of the five players they’ve drafted with a +140 SPARQ score, Wagner, KPL and Bruce Irvin are included. Speed (forty yard dash) and explosive traits (vertical, broad) appear to be preferred.

That said, one of their big success stories since 2011 is K.J. Wright. He’s a 6-3, 246lbs bigger linebacker with incredible length (35 inch arms) but only 4.71 speed, a 34 inch vertical and a 10-0 broad. Wright might be the exception — a unique player with tremendous length and intensity.

It was interesting a year ago that Seattle avoided the linebacker position in the draft despite Pete Carroll’s insistence that they needed to add some youth at the position. The 2017 combine didn’t produce many exceptionally quick or unique athletes. Instead they turned to free agency. It’s highly possible they will now review this position again, assuming the options are better in what looks like a much deeper and more impressive linebacker class.

Key tests
Forty yard dash, Three-cone, Vertical, Broad, short shuttle

Ideal size
+6-0, 230-240lbs, 4.4-4.5 forty, 6.70 three-cone, +10’ broad, 4.20-4.35 short shuttle

Interesting note
Bobby Wagner played 99.35% of the defensive snaps in 2016 and K.J. Wright played 97.41%. We asked a year ago how sustainable this was and both players missed time or played through injuries in 2017. Wagner tallied 93.08% of the snaps and Wright 87.07%. They need some depth and help at the position.

Best drill to watch
The short shuttle results. We highlighted a year ago how important it might be for the Seahawks. Quickness and change of direction is vital at linebacker.

Three names to watch
Kemoko Turay (Rutgers), Lorenzo Carter (Georgia), Darius Leonard (South Carolina State)

Positional assessment
It’s a really impressive group this year. Tremaine Edmunds and Leighton Vander Esch could secure top-20 placings with a big performance. Roquan Smith will need to test well at his expected size (6-0, 225lbs) to get into a similar range. Alabama’s Rashaan Evans knows he’ll secure a first round slot with a good combine. Texas’ Malik Jefferson had a sensational SPARQ combine and could be one of the stars again in Indianapolis. South Carolina State’s Darius Leonard was a standout at the Senior Bowl and could further boost his stock with a great workout. Ohio State’s Jerome Baker needs to run well at 6-1 and 225lbs. Washington’s Keishawn Bierria might want to send a ‘don’t forget about me’ message to the league. Two other players to watch out for could be SAM/LEO prospects. Rutgers’ Kemoko Turay will test with the linebackers but is more of an EDGE rusher. He looks like a LEO candidate and his 10-yard split will be vital. Georgia’s Lorenzo Carter is more of a SAM/LEO and he’s extremely explosive (40 inch vertical is possible). However, he isn’t the quickest so his 40/10 will be key.

Importance to the Seahawks?
They need to support Wagner and Wright while also looking at the SAM/LEO position. This is a really good year for the Seahawks to add some much needed young talent to the linebacker position.

Groups 10-11 (DB)

Arrival: Friday
Measurements: Saturday
Bench press: Sunday
On-field drills: Monday

Kevin Toliver has great size/length and is a former 5-star recruit

Cornerback
A year ago this was the highlight of the combine. The cornerback class was the talk of the NFL. In 2018 that most certainly isn’t the case. It’s a pretty average looking group.

By now everyone knows what the Seahawks like in a cornerback. Every corner drafted in the Pete Carroll era has had 32 inch arms. Those players are generally physical and tall and take pride in defending the run.

We’ve previously discussed the importance of wingspan too. Wingspan is defined as the length between the tip of your middle finger on one outstretched arm to the other. The average NFL cornerback has a wingspan of 75.5 inches (31.5 inch arm length).

Up until last year it felt like wingspan might be equally as important as arm length in Seattle. Here’s the arm length and wingspan data for some of Seattle’s draftees, acquisitions and starters since 2010:

Richard Sherman — 32 (arms) 78 (wingspan)
Brandon Browner — 33 (arms) 80 (wingspan)
Byron Maxwell — 33.5 (arms) 77.5 (wingspan)
Jeremy Lane — 32.5 (arms) 78 (wingspan)
Tye Smith — 32 (arms) 78 (wingspan)
DeAndre Elliott — 32 (arms) 77.5 (wingspan)
Neiko Thorpe — 31 3/4 (arms) 78 1/2 (wingspan)
Stanley Jean-Baptiste — 32 3/8 (arms) 78 3/8 (wingspan)
Pierre Desir — 33 (arms) 77.5 (wingspan)

In 2017 they drafted Shaq Griffin in round three. He has 32 3/8 inch arms but only a 74 3/4 inch wingspan, so this was quite a difference compared to some of the other corners. Generally speaking though, they might stick to a better than average wingspan.

Why is length so important? 100% of multiple first team All-Pro cornerbacks drafted since 1998 have +32 inch arms.

Short-area quickness also seems to be important. The short shuttle tests lateral quickness, explosion in short areas, body control and the ability to change direction quickly.

In this visual demonstration of the drill, Mike Mayock states:

“It’s important for literally every position. Why? For the little guys it’s obvious. Quickness, acceleration, change of direction. How about the big guys? Can they bend? Are you a natural bender or are you a heavy-legged waist bender? A great time for a defensive back is a 4.2.”

If a great time is a 4.2, it’s fair to assume anything quicker than a 4.00 is exceptional.

Since 2010, only four CB’s have run a sub-4.00 short shuttle and measured with 32 inch arms:

2017 — Kevin King (3.89)
2016 — DeAndre Elliott (3.94)
2015 — Byron Jones (3.94), Tye Smith (3.96)
2010-2014 — No qualifiers

The Seahawks drafted Smith and signed Elliott. Short-area quickness and great length is a rare combination so any possible day three prospects with these physical traits will likely be on the radar.

Here are the short shuttle times for drafted/UDFA cornerbacks in Seattle:

DeAndre Elliott — 3.94
Tye Smith — 3.96
Jeremy Lane — 4.14
Shaq Griffin — 4.14
Deshawn Shead — 4.23
Brandon Browner — 4.24
Richard Sherman — 4.29
Tharold Simon — 4.31
Byron Maxwell — 4.49

Key tests
Three-cone, Vertical, measurements (arm length), short shuttle

Ideal size
+6-1, 195lbs, +32-inch arms, 4.50 forty, +35-inch vertical

Interesting note
Speed previously didn’t appear to be crucial but it might’ve been the difference for Shaq Griffin. Five of Seattle’s six drafted cornerbacks before 2017 ran between a 4.47 and a 4.56 in the forty yard dash. Griffin ran a 4.38 and they drafted him earlier than any other cornerback in the Pete Carroll era.

Best drill to watch
The backpedal drill. Watch to see how the cornerback transitions and whether it’s effortless. Do they have loose hips and do they explode out of their break? Is their footwork smooth or clunky? Are they laboured in any way or does it just look natural?

Three names to watch
Kevin Toliver (LSU), Holton Hill (Texas), Brandon Facyson (Virginia Tech)

Positional assessment
LSU’s Kevin Toliver has a reputation for being a bit ego-driven and he didn’t live up to his recruitment hype. Yet he’s perfectly sized at 6-3 and 204lbs and he’s a former 5-star recruit. With the right type of guidance he could be a nice project for Seattle’s staff. Texas’ Holton Hill, Virginia Tech’s Brandon Facyson, Boston College’s Isaac Yiadom, Stanford’s Quenton Meeks and Auburn’s Carlton Davis could also fit Seattle’s size profile. We’ll post a full list of the cornerbacks that fit the bill for the Seahawks in terms of size/length before the CB workouts.

Importance to the Seahawks?
With Richard Sherman’s future in question and the possibility of major change coming on defense, it seems likely the Seahawks will do what they nearly always do — draft a corner on day three and coach them up.

Jessie Bates III plays with discipline and range

Safety
After hitting on Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor in 2010, Seattle hasn’t had much success drafting for the safety position. Ryan Murphy, Winston Guy and Mark LeGree have come and gone. Delano Hill and Tedric Thompson didn’t see much action in 2017 despite injuries to Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor.

There’s a real mix of physical profiles too. Thomas (31 1/4) and Legree (30 1/4) have short arms so the 32-inch test isn’t necessary here but Guy had great arm length (33). Murphy ran a 4.48 at his pro-day with an impressive 39-inch vertical but Legree (4.59) and Guy (4.70) didn’t run fast times (Legree only had a 31-inch vertical too). Hill ran a 4.47 but Thompson managed only a 4.60. Overall it’s hard to determine a Seahawks ‘type’ with these numbers. The only safety they’ve drafted in the first two rounds (Earl) is a tremendous athlete. He ran a 4.37 at his pro-day after pulling a hamstring running the forty at the combine (while still managing an official 4.49).

The 2018 draft class at safety is a little overrated in the national media. Minkah Fitzpatrick is regularly mocked in the top-five but is more likely to go in the 10-15 range. Derwin James is physically explosive and looks the part but didn’t make many game-tilting plays for Florida State. Deshon Elliott is also a little bit overrated and Ronnie Harrison, while perfectly solid and sound, doesn’t have an outstanding or unique aspect to his game.

Key drills
Forty yard dash, Three-cone, Vertical, Broad

Ideal size
+6-0, 200-220lbs, 4.4 forty, +39-inch vertical, +10-5 broad jump

Interesting note
The Seahawks are at a bit of a crossroads at the position. They might need to replace Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor. They might re-sign Bradley McDougald and extend Thomas’ contract. They could also look at Eric Reid in free agency. So they essentially could be going into this draft needing to bring in at least one, if not two starters. Or they might be able to ignore the safety class altogether.

Best drill to watch
Any of the drills requiring the safety’s to close in space and show off their open-field quickness. If they’re possibly moving on from Earl Thomas, they’re going to need some speed in the secondary.

Three names to watch
Jessie Bates III (Wake Forest), Terrell Edmunds (Virginia Tech), Justin Reid (Stanford)

Positional assessment
Wake Forest’s Jessie Bates III might be the best option if they suddenly need to draft a free safety. Make sure to keep an eye on his workout. There are two famous brothers to watch too. Terrell Edmunds is Tremaine Edmunds’ brother and has good size to potentially work at strong safety. Meanwhile Stanford’s Justin Reid is the brother of San Francisco safety Eric Reid. A lot of eyes will be on Derwin James and Minkah Fitzpatrick. My personal predictions are — James will be extremely explosive with outstanding size but not quite as quick as people expect, while Fitzpatrick will have one of the better performances among DB’s.

Importance to the Seahawks?
It all depends on what happens at the start of the new league year. Do they trade Earl Thomas? Do they re-sign Bradley McDougald? Do they sign a free agent? Does Kam Chancellor retire? There’s so much that needs to be determined here.

Further reading

Why the Seahawks aren’t as focused on SPARQ as you might think

The top performers in each drill position-by-position since 2006

What is TEF?

TEF results for the O-line (2017)

TEF results for the D-line (2017)

The top-25 prospects in the 2018 draft broken into tiers

Seahawks off-season: Priorities, predictions & possibilities

Pete Carroll is scheduled to speak to the media on Thursday at 9am PST. John Schneider will conduct a press conference on Friday at 8am PST.

As usual we’ll be live-blogging during each day of the combine with instant analysis and a review at the end of each workout. I hope you’ll join us!

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Top-25 prospects broken into tiers

I wanted to put this down before the combine — then reflect on it afterwards to see what has changed. Some of the names below contain hyperlinks. The links take you to individual articles written about the player in question. So if you want more info/opinion, click on the name.

Tier One

Saquon Barkley (RB, Penn State)
Quenton Nelson (G, Notre Dame)
Tremaine Edmunds (LB, Virginia Tech)
Bradley Chubb (DE, NC State)
Vita Vea (DT, Washington)

The five freakish difference makers in the class. Barkley could be the most explosive offensive player to enter the league in a generation with a jump-cut to die for. Nelson will likely have a Steve Hutchinson impact on the league. Edmunds is the most unique player in the class — incredible size, length, versatility. There isn’t another player like him in the league.

Chubb has the same bloodlines as cousin Nick and we know how incredible he is as an athlete. Vea’s mobility and quickness at 340lbs is shocking and can only truly be appreciated watching him live. All five players should go in the top-10.

Tier two

Sam Darnold (QB, USC)
Josh Rosen (QB, UCLA)
Ronald Jones II (RB, USC)
Billy Price (C/G, Ohio State)
Isaiah Wynn (G, Georgia)
Tim Settle (DT, Virginia Tech)
Maurice Hurst (DT, Michigan)

The quarterbacks both have talent and upside but some question marks. Darnold has incredible potential but isn’t anywhere near as refined as DeShaun Watson a year ago (Watson was criminally underrated pre-draft by the media). Rosen technically looks the part but there are questions about his personality.

Jones II is a Jamaal Charles clone and a player with legitimate star quality. An exceptional prospect. Price is intense, plays with occasional reckless abandon and goes after the opponent. He sets the tone up front. Wynn reminds me of Zack Martin at Notre Dame. He isn’t the biggest, he isn’t the most explosive or athletic. He is just really fundamentally sound and tough to beat. He doesn’t make mistakes.

Settle won’t run like Vita Vea and he doesn’t carry his weight as well. Yet as a pass rusher it’s quite incredible to watch a player of his size swim/rip like he does, not to mention his excellent get-off. He’s the best 330lbs pass rusher you’ll see in a long time. Maurice Hurst is a classic three-technique with great quickness off the snap, solid hand-technique and a consistent ability to impact games from the interior. Players like Hurst are rare.

Tier three

Lamar Jackson (QB, Louisville)
Leighton Vander Esch (LB, Boise State)
Roquan Smith (LB, Georgia)
Minkah Fitzpatrick (S, Alabama)
Taven Bryan (DT, Florida)

Jackson has a rocket arm, showed major improvement as a touch passer in 2017 and is capable of being a Michael Vick-style playmaker. He is Vick. And for some reason people aren’t giving him his dues. Fitzpatrick on the other hand is the opposite — a little bit overrated — and more likely to go in the 10-15 range than the top-10.

Vander Esch is a modern day linebacker. He has the size to play inside at middle linebacker in any scheme, the range and mobility to run to the sideline and the instinct to be a major playmaker. In a couple of years he could be up there with Wagner and Kuechly as the best in the game. Smith gets a lot of top-15 love but you have to remember — he’s not a burner and he’s going to weigh about 225lbs. I like him as a player but we have to acknowledge he won’t fit every team or scheme. Smith will be a first rounder and likely a very useful pro but probably won’t go as early as some are projecting.

Bryan has incredible upside and while he might need a redshirt year to work things out, he has inside/out rush ability and the potential to be an absolute game-wrecker.

Tier four

Rasheem Green (DE, USC)
Derwin James (S, Florida State)
Marcus Davenport (DE, UTSA)

I watched some of Green this week and came away impressed with his physical potential. Whether he can take it to the next level and continue to grow remains to be seen but he has sensational size and length and carries his weight extremely well. He ran a 4.44 short shuttle at the Nike combine at 290lbs and achieved a 113.04 SPARQ rating. He could be a big time riser after the combine.

James will likely have an explosive combine too — testing well in the jumps. Yet he is what he is — a box safety that didn’t impact many games with big plays. I’ve said before, his tape is a bit boring. He has appealing character traits and size. He’ll go in round one. How early remains up for debate.

Davenport didn’t perform as well as hoped at the Senior Bowl and came across as a bit shy and retiring. He too might need a redshirt year and strong coaching/guidance. Yet his tape and physical ability warrants a first round pick.

Tier five
Da’Ron Payne (DT, Alabama)
Kerryon Johnson (RB, Auburn)
Rashaan Evans (LB, Alabama)
Calvin Ridley (WR, Alabama)
Baker Mayfield (QB, Oklahoma)

Payne is the strongest D-line prospect in the class with the size and bulk to act as a key run defender. He showed, especially in the two Playoff games, he also has some pass rush potential. Johnson (when healthy) was leading Auburn to a possible National Championship. His upright running style could invite injury and he’s not the quickest but he runs with authority, he’s tough and he has fantastic patience in the backfield.

Evans plays with his hair on fire and doesn’t hit, he hammers opponents. The combine will be crucial for his stock. He’s likely a late first rounder. Ridley isn’t big or particularly fast but he’s adept at getting open and he’s consistent. Mayfield won the Heisman and is clearly a playmaker but he lacks the physical tools of the other top quarterbacks available.

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Friday draft notes: Seahawks status check pre-combine

The Seahawks were not awarded any comp picks today.

Ian Rapoport is reporting they’re more likely to sign a new deal with Earl Thomas than trade him. He also suggests Richard Sherman isn’t healthy enough to deal. I don’t know about you but I’m ready to just know what’s going on one way or another. Ever since the 42-7 embarrassment against the Rams there’s been talk of major change to the defense. I still think that’s likely. The idea of just patching things up, trying to get through another season and having 8-10 players not practising every week is unappealing. Change feels inevitable — it’s the level of change that needs to be determined. And considering we’ve gone from minor speculation that Kansas City might be willing to trade Marcus Peters to a deal being done with the Rams in the space of about 48 hours, it’s starting to become pretty difficult to garner anything from the speculation.

— There are still key reasons why I think change of some kind is likely. The defense does need to get younger and cheaper. This hasn’t felt like the Seahawks of 2011-14 for a while now. The group of fiery players that were pissed off for greatness became, well, great. They got paid. And after the New England Super Bowl they arguably channelled their anger inwards rather than outwards. The running game has collapsed. They lost a lot of the intensity and identity that made them great and increasingly started to lean on Russell Wilson as the injuries piled up. Proper competition has to return. That upstart nature has to return. They’ve been trying for two years to be the bully again and it’s just not happening. If they want to get back to that it’s going to take more than the window dressing of 2016 and 2017. They can’t just keep rolling on, hoping the next iteration of Eddie Lacy will halt the decline of a team that has gone from 13 to 12 to 10 and then to 9 wins in the space of five years.

— If they do ultimately end up retaining Thomas, Sherman and players such as Michael Bennett, it’ll reinforce how likely it is they address the running game as a priority this off-season. They could bring in a hedge running back via free agency (eg Carlos Hyde) and consider the situation at safety (Bradley McDougald? Eric Reid?) before looking at the options at receiver. These moves could set them up to tap into the strength of the draft early (OL, RB, LB) and target a possible LEO edge rusher in the middle rounds (Kemoko Turay?).

— If they don’t acquire extra picks by moving veterans, trading down from #18 becomes a foregone conclusion. They’d have little choice, right? Picking once in the first four rounds seems unlikely. Trading down more than once could be an option too. Negotiating such a deal and still finding a way to come away with one of Billy Price, Isaiah Wynn or Ronald Jones II would be a win. It’s unclear how likely it is though.

— If they had their picks in rounds 2-3 you might be more inclined to think about defense in round one. Michigan’s Maurice Hurst, for example, is the type of dynamic interior pass rusher this team has really lacked. Instead they might end up trading down with a team like Atlanta so the Falcons can get Hurst.

— Having as many picks in rounds 2-3 as possible is critical this year (the area where the Seahawks currently have a bare cupboard). While the likes of Price, Wynn and Jones II are appealing first round options, if you only manage to acquire one third rounder you’ll be really limiting yourself. Ideally you take a running back in the top-75 (you’ll be kicking yourself BIG TIME if you don’t this year) and you want to hit OL/RB/LB as early as possible. Yet in the third round you might want to get Rutgers’ Turay to be your LEO or Stanford tight end Dalton Schultz to really bolster your run blocking.

— It’s only when you start to write all this down that you realise how much needs to be done and how little draft stock and cap room Seattle has to really address it all. They’re not in a bad position (and won’t be as long as they have the likes of Russell Wilson and Bobby Wagner) but certain decisions (and some mistakes) are starting to catch up with the Seahawks.

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The future of the Seahawks defense?

Let’s call this a first draft because we’ll receive so much information at the combine. We need to know 10-yard split times for the LEO candidates, short shuttle times for the linebackers, length and size for the cornerbacks and a lot more.

That said, here’s a review of some of the possible options if the Seahawks do gut the defense and decide to get a lot younger in 2018…

D-line & Pass rush

Possible departures: Cliff Avril, Michael Bennett, Sheldon Richardson

The Seahawks could do with adding a LEO. They need quickness off the edge. Rutgers’ Kemoko Turay could be the ideal player for the role — with excellent get-off, at least some evidence of good hand technique and a great athletic profile. He looked explosive at the Senior Bowl and has a ton of potential. If the Seahawks are able to acquire extra picks in the third or fourth round range, Turay could be a key acquisition.

It’s going to need to be someone with good length, a really quick 10-yard split and overall high athleticism. The 1.50-1.59 splits are the ones to look out for at the combine. There won’t be many but if Turay manages it at 6-5 and 252lbs he could quite easily be a Seahawks target.

Alternatives at LEO? Boston College’s Harold Landry could be targeted albeit with a much earlier pick. We know Florida State’s Josh Sweat is a fantastic athlete. If you’re comfortable with his injury history, he’s another option. Sweat ran a 4.46 at 240lbs at the SPARQ combine.

What else might they need? It’s hard to say. If Malik McDowell returns there’s every chance he could fill the void left by either Sheldon Richardson or Michael Bennett. Dion Jordan equally has some inside/out ability now he’s added size and Frank Clark isn’t small either. If you knew all three would be healthy and available going into camp you might feel quite comfortable about the situation. There’s very little news on McDowell however and Jordan missed most of the 2017 season.

NC State’s Kentavius Street could be a possible three-technique option. He’s about 280lbs these days but what an athlete. At the SPARQ combine he ran a 4.70, managed a 36-inch vertical and a 4.44 short shuttle. His SPARQ score was 115.41. He’s said to be an even better athlete these days too, plus he’s a former four-star recruit. He’s being projected as a late rounder and could be someone the Seahawks want to work with.

Ohio State’s Tyquan Lewis is no slouch and he had a good showing at the Senior Bowl. He scored 108.57 at the SPARQ combine including a 37 inch vertical. He’s a possible inside/out rusher who could last as he had to operate in a heavy rotation with the Buckeyes. He’s also someone who could develop into a leader. Auburn’s Jeff Holland lacks an attractive physical profile but plays with intensity and skill.

Virginia’s Andrew Brown is another prospect with upside who could be available on day three. A former five-star recruit he also performed well at the Senior Bowl. He managed a 103.11 SPARQ rating in High School and ran a 4.47 short shuttle at 295lbs.

The Seahawks have also shown they’re adept at finding veteran talent on the defensive line over the years. So on top of the options in the draft, there’s every chance they’ll bring in some options in free agency too.

Cornerback

Possible departures: Richard Sherman

We’ll need to see how the players measure at the combine. The Seahawks have stuck to a strict body type since 2010 and that isn’t likely to change. Whatever happens with Sherman, the Seahawks could do with adding another cornerback in the round 4-7 range this year to train up.

Despite many of the national mock drafts touting a cornerback to Seattle in round one, the chances are remote at best. They haven’t taken a CB earlier than the late third round under Pete Carroll. There’s very little reason to believe that’ll change this year. It won’t even be a position of significant need if they retain Sherman and re-sign Maxwell (hardly improbable scenarios). The Seahawks believe in their (proven) ability to develop young cornerbacks without spending high picks. That simply won’t change unless they’re picking in the top ten and happen to see a Jalen Ramsey or Patrick Peterson waiting for them.

LSU’s Kevin Toliver is said to be 6-3 and 203lbs with good length. He’s a former five-star recruit who never really lived up to expectations in college. According to his NFL.com bio, Toliver has “an entitled attitude” and a big ego. It could put a lot of teams off, including the Seahawks, but they did draft Tharold Simon who similarly faced criticism for his time at LSU. It’s unusual for a player with Toliver’s potential to last into the round four range but if he does, they might see him as a project worth taking on. He’d be a nice challenge for a team with Seattle’s development chops.

Texas’ Holton Hill also possesses size, length and undelivered potential. He could be another attractive project. Virginia Tech’s Brandon Facyson also looks the part. He had a very strong start to his college career but a broken leg stalled his progress. He could be one of those players that falls a bit further than he should and provides some value.

Linebacker

Possible departures: No significant ones

This isn’t about replacing anyone, rather than bolstering the ranks. Bobby Wagner and K.J. Wright need some help. And we saw what happened when Wagner wasn’t full-go and Wright was absent against the Rams. They could also do with adding a SAM/LEO type if possible.

Georgia’s Lorenzo Carter could be an option. At the Nike SPARQ combine he managed a 40-inch vertical at 6-5 and 234lbs. He’s highly explosive and athletic, posting a 129.75 SPARQ score. He’s not necessarily the quickest though (4.63 at the Nike combine) so his short-area quickness testing and 10-yard split could be crucial.

Another option could be South Carolina State’s Darius Leonard. Few bolstered their stock like Leonard at the Senior Bowl. He excelled in coverage drills against smaller, quicker running backs and had a couple of ferocious hits too. He has +34 inch arms and we know they really liked K.J. Wright for his length. Leonard looks and sounds like he’s ready for battle and could be a fantastic project for Ken Norton Jr.

Other options include Texas’ Malik Jefferson (who could be the combine’s big winner after his sensational Nike test) and Ohio State’s Jerome Baker. It’s a really good looking group of linebackers though. The combine will be fascinating and crucial. This is a position that seems to be thick throughout the draft and there will be attractive day three options to go with some of the early round studs.

Safety

Possible departures: Earl Thomas, Kam Chancellor

It’s hard to get excited about this safety class and you can forget about replacing either of Seattle’s two legends. There probably won’t be another Earl or Kam. They’re unique people and players. If the Seahawks have to replace both, they’ll likely adjust their scheme to compensate.

The safety class is littered with players you kind of like but don’t love. Derwin James is a great athlete but his tape is boring and it’s a hard sell to draft a box safety in round one who doesn’t make a lot of big plays. He’s the popular pick for Seattle in mock drafts and there’s no doubting his athleticism and size. Is he worth their first round pick?
They’d have to believe he was a true ’tilt the field’ player to justify it. There’s a reason why they’ve only taken one defensive back in the first two rounds of the draft since 2010 (Earl Thomas).

Minkah Fitzpatrick is a bit overrated. Ronnie Harrison is perfectly fine as a prospect but might go earlier than warranted.

Wake Forest’s Jessie Bates III is probably the most intriguing player. He’s quick, clearly does his homework, understands the opponent and had a number of big plays as a redshirt freshman. He isn’t Earl but he could end up being a reliable starting safety. He’s consistent and disciplined which is important in Seattle’s scheme.

Virginia Tech’s Terrell Edmunds could be one to watch. He’s Tremaine’s brother and has good size (6-2, 220lbs). It’s also worth remembering the Seahawks could keep Bradley McDougald and only last year drafted Tedric Thompson and Delano Hill. San Francisco’s Eric Reid could be an option as a free agent too.

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Seahawks off-season: Priorities, predictions & possibilities

The Seahawks need a LEO and Kemoko Turay could be an option

We did this a year ago. Time for the 2017 version.

— Nothing should be off the table. The Seahawks finished 9-7 for a reason and it wasn’t just down to a few missed field goals by Blair Walsh. Changes to the defense appear to be inevitable but practically anything should be considered, especially if it helps repair the struggling running game. This is a vital off-season.

— Get younger on defense. According to ESPN the Seahawks fielded the fourth oldest defense in the NFL in 2017. In comparison, they had the second youngest offense. The injuries are starting to pile up, fewer players are practising during the week. This has to change in 2018.

— Get cheaper on defense. The Seahawks are paying a disproportionate amount of money to their ageing unit. In 2017 the Seahawks spent $93,714,666 on their defense, more than any team in the NFL. The split between offense and defense was 36.37% vs 55.98%. They spent $60,885,063 on the offense — 29th highest in the league. Of the 12 biggest cap hits on the roster, nine were defensive players. The three offensive players were Russell Wilson, Jimmy Graham and Luke Joeckel. Graham and Joeckel are both free agents. There has to be a greater balance in spending between the two units.

— Prepare to make a tough call on Earl Thomas. The Seahawks can’t afford a long drawn out battle. Do they believe they’re going to get their money’s worth from a big extension? If they have doubts or if Thomas simply asks for too much money, they have to be willing to see what’s out there via trade. One way or another a big decision is coming. Earl will either sign a contract extension before the draft or he’ll be traded.

— Check out the market for Richard Sherman. A year ago the Seahawks made it quite clear they were willing to listen to offers for Sherman. It’s worth reviewing the situation again. His age, injury and contract status might not scream ‘trade value’ but if this is his last year in Seattle anyway, you might as well see what’s out there. A weak cornerback draft class might aid the situation.

— Dion Jordan, Justin Coleman and Bradley McDougald all performed well in 2017 and should be retained. Jordan and Coleman are restricted free agents and it’ll be fairly straightforward to keep both. McDougald is an unrestricted free agent but played well filling in at both free and strong safety. With uncertain futures for both Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor, they could do with keeping McDougald around.

— Come up with a solution to the Sheldon Richardson dilemma. They could transition or franchise tag him, essentially providing another ‘prove-it’ situation for Richardson. They could let him walk and hope to get a decent comp pick. They could let him test the market and hope to re-sign him for a reasonable amount. Richardson is clearly talented but it’s difficult to project how the Seahawks will approach his future.

— Acquire extra picks. The Seahawks can’t afford to pick once in the first four rounds of the draft. There’s too much work to do. One way or another they need more. Either trade some veterans or trade down from #18. Or both.

— ‘Value’ and ‘opportunity’ should be the two key words in free agency. No big splashes. Firstly, to protect any worthwhile 2019 comp picks. Secondly, it’s time to work this roster 2010 style. The Seahawks need to start looking for the next core. A highly competitive environment is required, with players fighting to prove a point and get the opportunity to earn big money. Seattle has carried too many big contracts in recent years and they need to rekindle some of that scrappy, gritty personality.

— The San Francisco pair of Eric Reid and Carlos Hyde could be acquired. Reid is every bit as athletic as Derwin James but some teams might be put off by his connection to the protest movement. That won’t be an issue in Seattle and he could be willing to sign a one or two year ‘prove-it’ deal to play strong safety. Hyde would be a perfect hedge for the draft and might be cheap given his age and production. Another option could be Marqise Lee. In a competitive receiver market, Lee could be forced to sign a one-year deal similar to Alshon Jeffery and Terrelle Pryor a year ago.

— The strength of the draft in the early rounds is clear — OL, RB, LB. The Seahawks might take one of each if they acquire extra picks. The third day of the draft appears set to provide some value on the D-line and secondary. So use the early picks to finally repair the run and consider either some help for Bobby Wagner and K.J. Wright or a SAM/LEO.

— Seriously consider selecting Billy Price, Isaiah Wynn or Ronald Jones II with your first pick. These three players stand out in a big way and would significantly boost Seattle’s offense and running game. Repairing the run has to be a key priority this off-season.

— Adding a LEO also seems crucial, especially if Cliff Avril departs. There are options in this draft. If they want to take one early, they could look at Boston College’s Harold Landry. Rutgers’ Kemoko Turay and Georgia’s Lorenzo Carter could be good options in the middle rounds. Keep an eye on the 10-yard splits at the combine (especially anyone who runs in the 1.5’s).

— Make a point of drafting another ‘Y’ tight end. Jimmy Graham and Luke Willson are both free agents so this position requires some attention. The jury’s still out on Nick Vannett. They could look for another athletic mismatch in the passing game or a red zone dynamo to replace Graham but if they’re serious about fixing the run — another in-line TE who can block wouldn’t go amiss. Stanford’s Dalton Schultz and Notre Dame’s Durham Smythe are two great options. I’m going to study Washington’s Will Dissly this week.

— Use the middle and later rounds to bring in highly competitive, young defensive players. Speed, toughness, size, length, attitude — the foundation of Seattle’s initial charge under Pete Carroll. If the early rounds are rich for interior offensive linemen, running backs and linebackers — the later rounds will provide some options at cornerback, safety and D-line. Would they work with a misguided talent like LSU’s Kevin Toliver at corner? He’s a former five-star recruit who might last into their preferred range for cornerbacks (R4-6). Will they find the athleticism of Virginia’s Andrew Brown, NC State’s Kentavius Street or Florida State’s Josh Sweat appealing? How early will Georgia’s Lorenzo Carter and South Carolina State’s Darius Leonard go? Is there a safety or two they like, possibly Jessie Bates III, Terrell Edmunds or Kyzir White for example? Is Kemoko Turay a great option to play LEO? And will they see new potential leaders in players like Ohio State’s Tyquan Lewis or Auburn’s Jeff Holland?

— Create a proper competitive environment. The draft and free agency needs to be the starting point. Heated competition needs to return to Seattle across the board. Look at the way they churned in 2010 to find the initial pieces to build around. That continued deep into 2012 when Russell Wilson beat out Matt Flynn and Tarvaris Jackson to start at quarterback. It’s been a great run but with so many established starters, there wasn’t much room for competition apart from the jobs on special teams or deciding who was the fourth or fifth running back on the roster. True, legitimate competition needs to return. Multiple starting positions need to be up for grabs.

— Lean on key players during what could be a transition year. The Seahawks under Carroll will never have an accepted ‘off year’. They will go for it every season. They also think long term. Change is coming and it’s time to find new stars and move on from some of the older players. It might benefit the Seahawks to have some new names fighting on the field to make an impression. They’ll still need to depend on some key veterans. Bobby Wagner, Doug Baldwin, Duane Brown and Russell Wilson could be tasked with this challenge.

— A possible plan could be: R1 — OL or RB (Price, Wynn, Jones II), R2/3 — OL or RB (Ragnow, Corbett, Chubb), LEO or SAM/LEO (Turay, Carter, Leonard), R4 — TE (Schultz or Smythe), R5-7 — DL, DB. This would obviously depend on picks being acquired. It would allow the Seahawks to address their running game early and add young talent to the defense.

— Unlike in previous years, however, there’s still a lot of clarity needed before projecting what could happen. Who is staying/going? What picks are they going to have? That ‘plan’ above could look very different in a month.

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How much work does Seattle’s O-line require?

It’s a complex question and there are many layers to the answer.

It’s possible the existing group will grow and improve. Will they take a big step forward under the guidance of Mike Solari? Do some of the players, like Germain Ifedi and Ethan Pocic, just need time? And will Duane Brown’s veteran experience help bring things together?

At the same time, you could easily build a case for making big changes. Is Ifedi ever going to be a long term solution at guard or tackle? Is Pocic good enough? Why were there so many errors and missed assignments? Does the responsibility lie with Tom Cable or do the players share the blame for not executing?

Did the running backs contribute in making the O-line look worse than it was? We know Russell Wilson occasionally runs himself into trouble, so how many bad reads were the running backs making?

You could write a piece arguing absolutely anything about the O-line and make it seem logical. Let Solari work with this group before judging, give Ifedi another year, bring in a veteran left guard, draft a left guard, blow the whole thing up and start again. Nothing should be off the table.

They probably don’t want to re-start the whole thing. After all, they’ve spent so much. Justin Britt wasn’t just a second round pick, they’ve also given him a $9m a year contract. Ifedi and Pocic were first and second rounders. Brown cost a second and third round pick.

Has any other team invested more in their O-line? This has been a concerted effort to fix a problem. And yet it remains mostly unfixed. The Seahawks have shown they don’t necessarily need the Dallas Cowboys O-line to succeed. Look at 2013. They do need a line that functions, however. One that isn’t a liability.

And in the post-Marshawn Lynch era they can’t rely on a future Hall-of-Famer to make up the difference.

A degree of ruthlessness is required. Brown will remain at left tackle. It’d make sense to let George Fant compete with Germain Ifedi at right tackle. They have some options at the position, so another high pick at tackle seems unlikely.

The interior is the big question mark, as evidenced by this tweet:

Seattle didn’t run the ball well enough up the middle. If you look at the results running to the left or right, the difference between the Seahawks and Rams is minimal. Yet Los Angeles and Todd Gurley averaged 3.02 yards before contact running up the middle compared to Seattle’s paltry 0.82 yards (#31 in the league).

That’s where the serious debate needs to happen, especially approaching a draft class filled with interior O-line talent. The first two or three rounds are really appealing at guard and center.

If the Seahawks trade Earl Thomas for a first round pick, would anyone really argue if they spent their two first rounders on Billy Price and Isaiah Wynn? It’d be a serious infusion of talent to the interior. It might not be the best use of resources given what they’ve spent on the O-line already but would it finally solve a big problem once and for all?

Such a scenario might be unlikely. Appealing but unlikely. Yet it’s the kind of conversation that is worth having. If they’re going to eat some bad contracts on defense in an attempt to get younger — do they need to eat some money and picks on the O-line to get better?

Will anything aid the Seahawks more than the ability to field a dominant run game in 2018? Look what it did for Dallas in 2016. They didn’t have a star-studded defense but were still able to control games thanks to a creative, mobile quarterback, Ezekiel Elliott and a terrific O-line.

Seattle has a proven track record of developing defensive talent. Would you bet against Pete Carroll being able to field a complimentary defense for a new, supercharged running game?

It’s something to think about during this horrible pre-combine void.

We’ve talked a lot about Wynn and Price. They along with Ronald Jones II are very appealing in round one if the Seahawks are serious about focusing on improving their running game.

Wynn is without doubt the most unflappable offensive lineman I’ve watched since starting the blog nearly ten years ago. His senior year at Georgia was an exercise in calmness, control and sheer dominance. He isn’t a big physical powerhouse like Quenton Nelson, destined to be the second coming of Steve Hutchinson. He might be, however, an unheralded star at a time when the league badly needs solid and consistent O-line play. Wynn was the best player at the Senior Bowl. I’m not sure it was all that close.

Jones II is as close to Jamaal Charles as you’ll ever find in a player. They are eerily similar. He’s smaller than Seattle has drafted for the position in the past yet he’s incredibly tough and physical. He’s a star in the making with a major X-factor very few players possess.

I wanted to spend some more time today, however, talking about Price. We’ve discussed his physical traits and playing style before. He’s going to surprise people at the combine with his power and explosive athleticism. He plays at maximum intensity, launching himself into the game and setting the tone. He’s a relentless ball of power, occasionally playing with some reckless abandon but more often than not having the ability to play within the scheme and execute some very technical double teams and blitz pick-ups.

If you watched Taylor Lewan against Seattle in week three and thought — ‘I want that type of O-liner on our team’ — Price has that kind of edge and nasty.

Need evidence?

He’s also comfortable on the move:

This second clip of Price pulling is even better. Look how smooth he is to the second level and delivers a key block:

The block below is exactly the type of thing you want to see when watching these interior O-liners. Price plants the anchor and is just immovable — there’s no push or inch given against the pass rusher. This is pure lower body power and strength:

There’s one other way he stands out though and this could be important for Seattle. Too often in the last couple of years there have been mistakes. Missed assignments, players not working as a collective group. Price is an organiser. So while he’d bring a toughness to Seattle’s O-line he might also help the group function.

Watch the video below from 30 seconds in and listen to his answer about transitioning from guard to center. Here’s the quote in full:

“I’m kind of the voice of the offensive line, myself and Jamarco (Jones). There’s a lot of things that I have to make sure I understand completely otherwise we’ll go out on the field and look like idiots and that’s something I can’t let our boys do.”

I’m not trying to suggest for a second that Justin Britt isn’t capable of this or is responsible for the mistakes that happen on the O-line. Britt might talk in a similar fashion when quizzed on this subject. After all, like Price he switched to become a guard.

Yet having experienced Seattle’s errors on the O-line like everyone else for two years, you can’t help but listen to Price here and wonder if this is a solution. Can he come in, lead Seattle’s O-line the way he did Ohio State’s and avoid, to use his words, letting his boys ‘look like idiots’.

Urban Meyer clearly has a lot of respect for Price:

After an absolute shellacking by Iowa during the 2017 season, Price took it upon himself to deliver a crucial speech in the locker room after the game. Meyer has credited that speech as a catalyst for turning around Ohio State’s fortunes. They went on to win the BIG 10 and nearly qualified for the college football playoffs despite that hammering by the Hawkeyes.

Watch how Price carries himself during practise, assuming a leadership role:

This is an interesting film session with Price, where he talks about blocking and his duties as the center:

There’s an awful lot to like. He’s an organiser, he takes responsibility for the group. Maybe they need that type of leader?

He’s also durable, starting well over 50 consecutive games at Ohio State. It’s the one big edge he has over Isaiah Wynn who is currently recovering from a torn labrum and won’t workout at the combine.

The Seahawks have an opportunity to improve their much maligned running game this year. The options are there in the draft — this is a strong class at running back and interior O-line in the early rounds. There’s also enough defensive talent from round three onwards to feel comfortable waiting on that side of the ball. There’s even 2-3 really good blocking tight ends to further improve the running game.

They’re probably going to be aggressive in making changes to the defense. It’ll be interesting to see how aggressive they are changing the O-line too.

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